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Sep 20, 2010 11:18 |  #46

Come on, guys. Let's be realistic here with our selling-like-hotcakes prices. $500? Good luck with that. Plastic P&S cameras go for $500. m4/3 cameras with cheaper builds and kit zoom go for $500. You're not going to get the X100 for $500--not for a few years anyway after depreciation.

Besides, from their press release and marketing video I get the feeling that their target is not to sell this like hotcakes. That is, I'm sure they'd love it to, but they're targeting the product and price to a slightly more upscale market that appreciates the various touches of extra quality they put in and are willing to pay a bit more for them. For those who don't and won't, they're happy to leave those customers to m4/3, NEX, NX, etc. I'd love as much as anybody (or more since I love the 35mm focal length) to see this at anywhere under $1000, but my gut feeling says low-to-mid $1K.

Aside from the intangibles, here are a few of the tangibles that point to this not being a $500 camera:
- APS-C sensor
- f/2 lens
- Metal top, baseplate, and dials--very solid build quality
- Built-in hybrid OVF/EVF--a world first

Edit: oops, didn't see your post, Taylor. Do you have a link for the price?




  
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Sep 20, 2010 11:21 |  #47

tkbslc wrote in post #10942860 (external link)
NOw that price has all but been confirmed at $1700, I see no reason to get this over a Leica X1 for brand name bragging right, or a GF1+20mm f1.7+viewfinder accessory for half the price.

Let's say for the sake of argument that it is $1700 (waiting for confirmation on that). The Leica is $2000, has an f/2.8 lens instead of f/2, and doesn't have a viewfinder, let alone a hybrid OVF/EVF. I think you've got it backwards--the only reason to get the Leica over this is for brand name bragging rights.




  
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Sep 20, 2010 11:22 |  #48

tkbslc wrote in post #10942860 (external link)
NOw that price has all but been confirmed at $1700, I see no reason to get this over a Leica X1 for brand name bragging right, or a GF1+20mm f1.7+viewfinder accessory for half the price.

yea thats a bit pricey.. you could buy a used m8 for that.


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Sep 20, 2010 11:24 |  #49

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #10942910 (external link)
Let's say for the sake of argument that it is $1700 (waiting for confirmation on that). The Leica is $2000, has an f/2.8 lens instead of f/2, and doesn't have a viewfinder, let alone a hybrid OVF/EVF. I think you've got it backwards--the only reason to get the Leica over this is for brand name bragging rights.

I was saying the only reason to spend anywhere near this amount for a basic APS-C camera is for bragging rights. This fujifilm will get you very little of that.


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Sep 20, 2010 11:28 |  #50

tkbslc wrote in post #10942924 (external link)
I was saying the only reason to spend anywhere near this amount for a basic APS-C camera is for bragging rights. This fujifilm will get you very little of that.

Not badgering you, but in case you didn't notice, I asked for a link to the price. Link please?




  
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Sep 20, 2010 11:29 |  #51

If it's going up to that price, I'll probably sit this one out and keep collecting my pennies for an M.


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Sep 20, 2010 11:30 |  #52

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #10942890 (external link)
Come on, guys. Let's be realistic here with our selling-like-hotcakes prices. $500? Good luck with that. Plastic P&S cameras go for $500. m4/3 cameras with cheaper builds and kit zoom go for $500. You're not going to get the X100 for $500--not for a few years anyway after depreciation.

Aside from the intangibles, here are a few of the tangibles that point to this not being a $500 camera:
- APS-C sensor
- f/2 lens
- Metal top, baseplate, and dials--very solid build quality
- Built-in hybrid OVF/EVF--a world first

Regardless of the tech, there are plenty of large sensored compact with interchangeable lens mounts and fast pancake prime options in the $500-1000 range. Sure this has some fancy metal in there, but it is still a basic APS-C camera on spec and Fujifilm is not a luxury brand.

Edit: oops, didn't see your post, Taylor. Do you have a link for the price?

Not a direct one. Several people on Dpreview are throwing that price around based on the Japanese price found in some Japanese article I can't read.

EDIT: The article is on Nikkei.com and you have to have an account to read it. They apparently list the price at 150K Yen, which converts to $1750 US. Of course prices aren't directly translatable between markets, but it should be ballpark.


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Sep 20, 2010 11:45 |  #53

tkbslc wrote in post #10942967 (external link)
Not a direct one. Several people on Dpreview are throwing that price around based on the Japanese price found in some Japanese article I can't read.

Then we're putting the cart ahead of the horse, arguing over a price that isn't even confirmed. I found a link (external link) that I think says 120K - 150K Yen, but also estimated not confirmed ("It is said"). Just like with European prices, don't convert based on currency values because U.S. prices are usually cheaper than Japanese prices based on actual currency value. If that estimate is correct, that probably puts it at $1200-$1500 U.S., which is a large range because $1200 sounds pretty good while $1500 sounds a bit high to me.

I propose we quit worrying about the price until FujiFilm tell us what it will be and just marvel at the beauty of this camera :)




  
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Sep 20, 2010 12:07 |  #54

I'd be a buyer at $1000...~1/2 price of the over-hyped Leica...


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Sep 20, 2010 12:36 as a reply to  @ AngryCorgi's post |  #55

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #10942890 (external link)
Come on, guys. Let's be realistic here with our selling-like-hotcakes prices. $500? Good luck with that. Plastic P&S cameras go for $500. m4/3 cameras with cheaper builds and kit zoom go for $500. You're not going to get the X100 for $500--not for a few years anyway after depreciation.

I'm saying strip it so it COULD be a $500 camera in the s90 class that has the manual controls and smaller sensor. THAT could sell like hotcakes. This at $1000 would still sell pretty well IMHO...

Aside from the intangibles, here are a few of the tangibles that point to this not being a $500 camera:
- APS-C sensor
- f/2 lens
- Metal top, baseplate, and dials--very solid build quality
- Built-in hybrid OVF/EVF--a world first

not a lot different than sony's $650 NEX5 with their 16mm pancake. 2.8 -vs- 2.0 and the viewfinder, but otherwise similar.

tkbslc wrote in post #10942924 (external link)
I was saying the only reason to spend anywhere near this amount for a basic APS-C camera is for bragging rights. This fujifilm will get you very little of that.

this won't get bragging rights on the name, but it will on looks...


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Sep 20, 2010 12:45 |  #56

AngryCorgi wrote in post #10943180 (external link)
I'd be a buyer at $1000...~1/2 price of the over-hyped Leica...

Yeah, I say that to myself now as well. But knowing me, I am sucker after all (and this camera is love at first sight for me) I'll probably be paying whatever they ask for.

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Sep 20, 2010 12:45 |  #57

jacobsen1 wrote in post #10943337 (external link)
not a lot different than sony's $650 NEX5 with their 16mm pancake. 2.8 -vs- 2.0 and the viewfinder, but otherwise similar.

Well, an f/2 lens is about twice as expensive as an f/2.8, and remember the VF won't be cheap. I think the X100 would still be pushing $1000 with a cheaper build.




  
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Sep 20, 2010 13:38 as a reply to  @ toxic's post |  #58

I'd be surprised if this came up under $1K. A plastic Canon T2i w/ zoom kit is about $700-800 new, and that's with Canon's industrial muscle. A niche range finder with fixed lens, $1-1400 would make sense. Of course, I ain't complaining if it's under...




  
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Sep 20, 2010 13:53 |  #59

toxic wrote in post #10943388 (external link)
Well, an f/2 lens is about twice as expensive as an f/2.8, and remember the VF won't be cheap. I think the X100 would still be pushing $1000 with a cheaper build.

Plus that Sony 16mm f/2.8, let's not mince words here, is trash. I'd certainly hope they engineer the lens in the X100 to a much higher standard since you're stuck with it.




  
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Sep 20, 2010 14:29 |  #60

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #10943787 (external link)
Plus that Sony 16mm f/2.8, let's not mince words here, is trash. I'd certainly hope they engineer the lens in the X100 to a much higher standard since you're stuck with it.

right, but the sony is trash but COULD have been fantastic w/o costing more IMHO. Look at canon's 35mm f/2 in terms of price and IQ. Sony's got the build but ****ed something up in the design when they pancaked it. It's also not terrible in the "final" version supposedly?


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