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Why is it difficult for young people to break into photography business ?

 
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Sep 16, 2010 17:41 as a reply to  @ post 10922895 |  #61
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Ya know what I think I just realized Allen?

Maybe wedding and portrait photography has just become the most competitive type of photography in the entire industry.

In our day, that was the easiest type of photography to get into because it required the least amount of skill and startup costs. But now, the 35mm DSLR and internet has created the most intense army of competition ever for that kind of work.

Maybe the world just turned upside down. Maybe the hardest type of photography to get into today is actually the easiest type of photography from yesterday :confused:




  
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Sep 16, 2010 17:42 |  #62

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #10922755 (external link)
You mean you can't do it overnight via Groupon?

Put it in your own perspective. Does buying an airplane automatically make one a good pilot?

Then why should buying a camera automatically make one a good photographer? So many seen to think it does.

And I'm glad to see your spinner again. Thanks.




  
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Sep 16, 2010 17:46 |  #63

Gentleman Villain wrote in post #10922938 (external link)
Ya know what I think I just realized Allen?

Maybe wedding and portrait photography has just become the most competitive type of photography in the entire industry.

In our day, that was the easiest type of photography to get into because it required the least amount of skill and startup costs. But now, the 35mm DSLR and internet has created the most intense army of competition ever for that kind of work.

Maybe the world just turned upside down. Maybe the hardest type of photography to get into today is actually the easiest type of photography from yesterday :confused:

I don't think that there is any doubt about this being exactly the case.

20droger wrote in post #10922945 (external link)
Put it in your own perspective. Does buying an airplane automatically make one a good pilot?

Then why should buying a camera automatically make one a good photographer? So many seen to think it does.

And I'm glad to see your spinner again. Thanks.

Simply buying an aircraft certainly doesn't instantly make someone a pilot. However, buying too much camera won't kill you like buying too much aircraft (or car) can!

The Spinner seems to be universally adored Roger so I'll "fly" it proudly! :D


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Sep 16, 2010 19:13 |  #64

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #10922972 (external link)
Simply buying an aircraft certainly doesn't instantly make someone a pilot. However, buying too much camera won't kill you like buying too much aircraft (or car) can!

Well, one can dream....




  
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Sep 16, 2010 20:54 |  #65

Gentleman Villain wrote in post #10922938 (external link)
Ya know what I think I just realized Allen?

Maybe wedding and portrait photography has just become the most competitive type of photography in the entire industry.

In our day, that was the easiest type of photography to get into because it required the least amount of skill and startup costs. But now, the 35mm DSLR and internet has created the most intense army of competition ever for that kind of work.

Maybe the world just turned upside down. Maybe the hardest type of photography to get into today is actually the easiest type of photography from yesterday :confused:

I think its the ones doing the really high end work and that has always been extremely hard to get into, that are the ones that are really going to still do well. How many low to medium wedding shooters are going to be able to have that is their only source of income? Not many in the future I would bet because there are just so many doing it.

And yes its so competitive because everyone can get a seat at the table. There are no gate keepers. Just but a DSLR and put an ad of craigs list.




  
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Sep 17, 2010 09:29 |  #66

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The main reason you don't see more young people in the business is because they can't seem to keep their horizon straight, and all their shots are at some weird angle.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.:lol:

As a substitute for experience & knowing what works, I see a lot of "Cool shots" that don't do justice to the subject & aren't what the client needs. And it takes time to separate what the client thinks he wants vs. what he actually needs. Deliver both & you'll get return business.

Only deliver "Cool shots" & you'll soon be asking, "Do you want fries with that?" ;)


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Sep 17, 2010 09:52 |  #67

PhotosGuy wrote in post #10926310 (external link)
As a substitute for experience & knowing what works, I see a lot of "Cool shots" that don't do justice to the subject & aren't what the client needs. And it takes time to separate what the client thinks he wants vs. what he actually needs. Deliver both & you'll get return business.

Only deliver "Cool shots" & you'll soon be asking, "Do you want fries with that?" ;)

So true! And most of them will fail at that, too. (See post #50.)




  
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Sep 18, 2010 21:55 |  #68

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Of course and as Greenspan said when he testified to congress they have found the "theory to be flawed". Go figure, if you leave the wolf alone in the henhouse with the hens don't be to surprised if there are no chickens in the morning.

This is a little out of context. He said that his model of the economy was flawed. When asked how it was flawed, he responded,"I made the assumption that financial institutions would act in their own best interest". This debockle is clearly the result of financial managers defrauding their stockholders for their own short term gains. Plenty of economists could see the burst of the mortgage bubble coming. My neighbor (not even in the market) told me to get out of the market months ahead of the collapse. I stayed in and I'm riding it out. Probably should have listened to him. A growth economy is a wonderous thing in that it does not have to produce to keep rolling. Think ponzy scheme. Always enough money rolling in to pay the old investors. We need to reset to a sustainable 0 or minimal growth production based economy. This will be difficult, but it has to be done eventually. It means paying our bills and getting back to work. Nobody is pushing this because doing so is political suicide.




  
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Sep 20, 2010 14:02 |  #70

I think he's like 21 now, but still


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Sep 20, 2010 14:17 |  #71

mikekelley wrote in post #10943837 (external link)
I think he's like 21 now, but still

I confess I don't know much about it him, but to be that successful I'm sure he managed to package the right combination of talent, timing, tools, connections, business acumen, hard work and creativity in a highly visible and promotable package.


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Sep 20, 2010 14:18 |  #72

exactly :)


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Sep 20, 2010 14:24 |  #73

mikekelley wrote in post #10943923 (external link)
exactly :)

Absolutely - in other words, HARD WORK consistently done, over time. Many don't seem to get this. They assume the gear instantly makes the man or woman.:rolleyes:


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Sep 20, 2010 18:45 as a reply to  @ sapearl's post |  #74

I think I'll go out and spring for one of those fancy, expensive keyboards. I need to do some Pulitzer-grade writing.




  
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Sep 20, 2010 18:53 |  #75

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I think I'll go out and spring for one of those fancy, expensive keyboards. I need to do some Pulitzer-grade writing.

I can do better than that - I'm going to run right out and buy a shiny new airplane so I can compete with Jay of POTN. I mean, those things are pretty well automated..... they virtually fly themselves, right?:lol:


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