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Is full-frame really that dramaticly better?

 
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Sep 25, 2010 05:35 |  #16

I think so....I have both


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Sep 25, 2010 05:37 |  #17

Deep Pocket wrote in post #10974374 (external link)
The main thing that wants me to upgrade my XSI is I long for a better AF, and I heard the 7D has better AF. I'm currently fine with my lenses, the only one I'm really eyeing is the MPE 65.

If the main thing you want is better AF, just get the 7D.

Reconsider your kit lens, upgrading to a 17-55IS + 7D will blow you away.


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Sep 25, 2010 05:58 |  #18

Staszek wrote in post #10974457 (external link)
The argument against FF vs crop is not going wider or longer, its about DOF. The FF sensor is capable with significantly shallower DOF than a crop sensor on any lens. As you mentioned, you can easily grab a wider lens and be "just as wide," but you'll never match the shallowness of the shot. The dramatic effect comes from the shallow depth of field.

The argument against crop vs FF is not going longer or wider, it's about DOF. The crop sensor is capable of significantly deeper DOF than a FF sensor on any lens.

That is to say, some people are not looking for shallower DOF. The dramatic effect of having the left eyelash in focus while the nose is a blur is not something that all photographers need nor desire. ;)


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Sep 25, 2010 06:01 |  #19

This whole argument sounds like crop lol.


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Sep 25, 2010 06:23 |  #20

Deep Pocket wrote in post #10974374 (external link)
Portraits and landscapes look more dramatic on the full-frame sensor.

the full frame effect is truly "dramatic"

you can compare sample images from different cameras here:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/CO​MPS01.HTM (external link)

this is one comparison between a cheap older Rebel model and the Canon 5D - you can see the dramatic difference in the full frame IQ - it just "blows you away"

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Sep 25, 2010 07:53 |  #21

Do not take it as offence, it is a second time I saw those pictures at this forum. IMHO, they are kind of terrible both and don’t really show anything.

OP, take 7D.


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Sep 25, 2010 08:05 as a reply to  @ kf095's post |  #22

Don't be afraid to buy used. One bad experience shouldn’t kill it for you. I have bought exactly two new pieces of photography equipment (not counting bags, light stands and other accessory type items), my 70-200 and my 430EX. Everything else I have, or had, was bought used from forums, eBay, or personal acquaintance. No issues at all. Just buy smart. 5Ds are for sale everywhere so are excellent lenses.


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Sep 25, 2010 10:03 |  #23

I recently went from 20D to 5DII...in many ways the 5DII is just a 20D with a larger screen and 21MPX FF sensor.

All I can say is that I am blown away in awe by the 5DII IQ. It's not just the better DoF control. It's not just the detail in the images. There is something about the "smoothness" of it all; those 21 MPXs being spread out on a larger square, if you will. That's partly why I went FF and that is what I got.

While I long for a 5DIII with the 7D's AF and electronic level, etc., that camera does not exist and it was time for me to upgrade (and the Nikon D700 was too large for my comfort). I bought my 5DII during Canon's summer rebate season and feel as if I got a good value out of it all (when combined with the 24-105L).

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Sep 25, 2010 10:28 as a reply to  @ post 10974927 |  #24

IMO, the FF experience is dramatically better if you like shots that produces a thin/less DOF. FF also offers a cleaner image in higher ISO's. Anything else, I believe, the crop body can match.




  
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Sep 25, 2010 10:46 as a reply to  @ eye2i's post |  #25

A fast prime on a crop sensor is still going to have a painfully thin depth of sharp focus... The 50mm F1.8 yields an inch or two at close focusing distances on the 7D...

Yes a larger sensor gives you substantially thinner depth of sharp focus... NO MATTER how you slice it, the 50mm F1.4 or 85mm F1.8 are gonna give you thin depths.


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Sep 25, 2010 11:56 |  #26
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Heh, sounds like full-frame is for me then.
Time for a big spend..

If not guess I'll resort to buying an used 5D.


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Sep 25, 2010 11:59 |  #27

darosk wrote in post #10974484 (external link)
I agree with Tony. If you're asking the 5DII vs 7D question, then the answer is the 7D... or even something cheaper. Pocket the $1000 price difference. Or better yet, blow it on a nice lens, maybe an L like the 135L.

True, but the 135L is so much more fun on FF. ;)




  
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Sep 25, 2010 12:00 |  #28

Deep Pocket wrote in post #10976063 (external link)
Heh, sounds like full-frame is for me then.
Time for a big spend..

If not guess I'll resort to buying an used 5D.

You got deep pockets... lol... get youself a 5DII!


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Sep 25, 2010 12:04 |  #29

Jethro790 wrote in post #10976074 (external link)
You got deep pockets... lol... get youself a 5DII!

Besides, you can never do landscapes with a 7D...

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(Don't reall have any decent landscapes downloaded, but trying to play the sarcasim card- in case you didn't notice)

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Sep 25, 2010 12:08 |  #30

pyrojim wrote in post #10975739 (external link)
Yes a larger sensor gives you substantially thinner depth of sharp focus... NO MATTER how you slice it, the 50mm F1.4 or 85mm F1.8 are gonna give you thin depths.

I remember the first time I picked up a medium format camera... that's how I really learned the DOF advantage of a larger film/sensor. It's amazing how much of a difference it makes. People who have only shot with crop cameras have no idea what f2.8 really is!


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