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Sep 30, 2010 18:32 |  #1

I have a 50D and it seems every time I try to take a picture inside it's a disaster. I tried to take pictures in a living room today, sunny day, large window. I had my lens at 1.8, ISO 1600, and kept dropping the shutter speed down to 40 and it was still too dark, plus the added frustration of blurry pictures. I find that this situation happens to me a LOT. I'll be at the highest ISO, largest aperture, and still I have to keep dropping my shutter speed.

What am I doing wrong?




  
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Sep 30, 2010 18:33 |  #2

Not using a flash. Get a 430EX II or 580EX II and use that. Drop your ISO to like 800, boost your shutter speed and fire.


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Sep 30, 2010 18:34 |  #3

Your brain interprets light much better than the actual amount of light is around. There is VERY LITTLE light indoors, even during the DAY with windows open.

I would strongly recommend a flash, it makes a world of different IMO. I can shoot at iso 100 close to all the time indoors when I use a flash (iso 400 max usually).

Otherwise, a tripod might help you.


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Sep 30, 2010 18:35 |  #4

I did try that and it looked like sh*t. I tried bouncing the flash every which way and they all looked terrible. I really hate flash.

I see lots of other photographers using natural light only inside and I'm just wondering why I can't ever get it to work.




  
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Sep 30, 2010 18:35 |  #5

Nothing wrong. It must be still too dark. ISO 1600 f/1.8 1/40 should give you lots of light but I guess it's still not enough. All you can do is try ISO 3200, or add a tripod or flash.


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Sep 30, 2010 18:36 |  #6

jeljohns wrote in post #11010622 (external link)
I did try that and it looked like sh*t. I tried bouncing the flash every which way and they all looked terrible. I really hate flash.

I see lots of other photographers using natural light only inside and I'm just wondering why I can't ever get it to work.

I don't want to be dis-respectful but I find many "natural light" only photographers are just afraid of flash. Learn to use it, it makes a world of difference. THats really the best advice I can give you.


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Sep 30, 2010 18:40 |  #7

jeljohns wrote in post #11010622 (external link)
I did try that and it looked like sh*t. I tried bouncing the flash every which way and they all looked terrible. I really hate flash.

I see lots of other photographers using natural light only inside and I'm just wondering why I can't ever get it to work.

Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce on the flash (pointed up) will help make it look more natural, as will dialing in some negative flash EC.

Can you post some examples with and without a flash? I took a bunch of shots at my wife's birthday a few months ago with a T2i + 24LII @ f/2.0 without a flash and they came out fine. It was 9PM so lighting in the room was a exclusively a pair of 70W-equivalent CFLs.


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Sep 30, 2010 18:44 |  #8

I'll be the first to admit I'm deathly afraid of flash, mostly because the pictures look so terrible, but I do want to learn. I just haven't found many helpful resources about using a flash on camera in situations like this.




  
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Sep 30, 2010 18:44 |  #9

you didn't by accident possibly maybe spin the back dial and change the EC to - ?
pics and exif would help.


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Sep 30, 2010 18:50 |  #10

I agree with Rob, you should post some samples of what you are talking about.


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Sep 30, 2010 19:06 |  #11

Okay, here are some...totally embarrassed to even post these they are so awful.

800/2.0/60th
[IMG]http://farm5.static.fl​ickr.com …762_87609315cb_​b.jpg/IMG] (external link)

1600/2.0/125th blurry!

[IMG]http://farm5.static.fl​ickr.com …665_195cc27125_​z.jpg/IMG] (external link)

1600/2.8/60th DARK!
[IMG]http://farm5.static.fl​ickr.com …297_f2e1843d80_​b.jpg/IMG] (external link)

Now here are some with flash....
flash bounced off ceiling -1/2
[IMG]http://farm5.static.fl​ickr.com …659_c0d07ff569_​b.jpg/IMG] (external link)

flash used, but still looks dark, drab, and you can tell bad flash was used
[IMG]http://farm5.static.fl​ickr.com …445_72c4ccb9bf_​b.jpg/IMG] (external link)

EDIT:I tried to edit to include larger pictures and now NO pictures are showing up....




  
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Sep 30, 2010 19:20 as a reply to  @ jeljohns's post |  #12

When shooting indoors [daytime] take advantage of any widow light.Get your subject close to that light.Try different exposures until you find what you like.
ISO 640@124 sec f.4



  
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Sep 30, 2010 19:24 |  #13

can you post larger pictures or link to larger ones? I can see much on these.


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Sep 30, 2010 19:29 |  #14

jeljohns wrote in post #11010622 (external link)
I did try that and it looked like sh*t. I tried bouncing the flash every which way and they all looked terrible. I really hate flash.

I see lots of other photographers using natural light only inside and I'm just wondering why I can't ever get it to work.

Hating Flash...

Most photographers who hate flash do so because the results that they get are not what they wished for. I shoot all over the world with a 550EX flash (which is an oldie but goodie) and a Joe Demb Flash Diffuser Pro. I like the results I get. I also shoot with the miniscule Canon 270EX and a Joe Demb Mini FlipIt Diffuser. I believe that Joe Demb now calls that unit the Photojournalist. These shots were all done with a Canon 30D and a 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens and the flash mounted on the camera's hotshoe.

Here are is a photo shot with the 550EX in a night market in Yongshuo China. The adjustable FlipIt portion of the Flash Diffuser pro allows shooting in areas like this that do not have a ceiling overhead off which to bounce the flash. The lighting looks natural and doesn't (IMO) look like flash was used at all:

1.

IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Other/Yangshuo-a/046-Tee-shirt-artists/858911199_3wdQp-L.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com …d7Vf#858911199_​3wdQp-A-LB  (external link)

Here is a shot bounced off the Flash Diffuser Pro. I didn't bounce off the red ceiling of the shop because it would have given my shot an all over red hue that (even though I always shoot RAW) might have been hard to balance

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IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Other/Yangshuo-a/053-ladies-clothing-shop/858912578_fw3gE-L.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com …d7Vf#858912578_​fw3gE-A-LB  (external link)

Here is a shot of a taffy puller shot outdoors with nothing off which to bounce except the Flash Diffuser pro...
3.
IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Other/Yangshuo-a/064-candy-maker/858914936_pX2Gk-L.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com …d7Vf#858914936_​pX2Gk-A-LB  (external link)

This is a shot inside a jewelry shop in Stanley market, Hong Kong shot bouncing a 270EX with a Demb Mini FlipIt...
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IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Travel/China-Focus-Tour-2010-Hong/040-Stanley-Market-jewelry/860543991_WxysD-L.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com …68SH#860543991_​WxysD-A-LB  (external link)

Here is an image inside the fish section of the Wong Nai Chung Market in Hong Kong. This was shot with the bounced 270EX and Mini FlipIt...
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IMAGE: http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/Travel/China-Focus-Tour-2010-Hong/Food-Market-fish-tanks/859065552_d8d4T-L.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com …68SH#859065552_​d8d4T-A-LB  (external link)

Contrary to the ideas of many photographers, I shot these in programmed mode using the flash basically for fill. I will most often shoot in the area of ISO 400 to 800. I don't like the results of my 30D at over ISO 800. I can control my lighting using programmed mode just fine...

See my images at http://rpcrowe.smugmug​.com/ (external link)

  
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Sep 30, 2010 19:30 |  #15

An example of a bounced flash into the ceiling.
ISO 400 180 sec.@ f.6.7



  
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