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Oct 03, 2010 01:46 |  #1

Where can I learn how to really get good with post production? I've read books and even done Linda.com videos, so I know what most everything does. I just am not good at it, I don't know how much of this and how much of that, and setting one setting by itself I can manage but how much of them all together to make an amazing image is beyond me.

When I look at an image, I can figure out the obvious things that need to be fixed like white balance, exposure, and some curves, but even those at times I feel like I am chasing my tail. Most of the time I feel like I am just guessing.

I am really bad at post production and I want to get really good. How do I do that?

I use LR3 99% of the time and rarely go into Photoshop, I would like to master what I can do w/ LR3 and then deal with more advanced stuff in PS later.


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Oct 03, 2010 01:53 |  #2

Develop a consistent, repeatable workflow...

For the basics, always (try to) do things in the exact same order.

People get distracted by wanting to work image by image and try a little tweak here, or try a little tweak there but meanwhile, they miss obvious things like crooked horizons, dust spots, etc...

You don't become an expert by doing 12,000 things. You become an expert by doing 12 things 10,000 times! ;)


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Oct 03, 2010 02:50 |  #3

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #11023810 (external link)
Develop a consistent, repeatable workflow...

For the basics, always (try to) do things in the exact same order.

People get distracted by wanting to work image by image and try a little tweak here, or try a little tweak there but meanwhile, they miss obvious things like crooked horizons, dust spots, etc...

You don't become an expert by doing 12,000 things. You become an expert by doing 12 things 10,000 times! ;)

I typically do things in the same order, I just haven't found out a consistent workflow that gives me great results. I do very little PP and 85%+ of my images I do none.


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Oct 03, 2010 03:55 |  #4

Workflow. Books.


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Oct 03, 2010 07:26 |  #5

You just need time. You can't learn to create high quality work overnight. You have to do it over and over and over again.


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Oct 03, 2010 10:46 |  #6

I've read a few of them books already, and I have reasonable workflow. What I really want to get good at is how much or how little of each slider to use, when one over another. I know what all the sliders are for and how they affect an image, but putting it all together and actually making a big difference on an image just isn't happening.


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Oct 03, 2010 10:50 as a reply to  @ FlyingPhotog's post |  #7

Saxi--- I have a background in education and sales training. We all have different learning styles which work the best for us. Maybe you're the type who responds best to live interactive help, like you would get from a small night school class, a multi-day training seminar, or from club activities. I've done all of these and they work better than boring books and videos..


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Oct 03, 2010 11:02 |  #8

ChasP505 wrote in post #11025013 (external link)
Saxi--- I have a background in education and sales training. We all have different learning styles which work the best for us. Maybe you're the type who responds best to live interactive help, like you would get from a small night school class, a multi-day training seminar, or from club activities. I've done all of these and they work better than boring books and videos..

I tried hiring a local photographer to help me with it from the studio I shoot at, but didn't seem interested. I read Adobe Photoshop CS4 for Photographers, but I didn't find the section on post processing all that helpful outside of really telling you what everything is for. Plus I use LR not PS for 99% of what I do. I've looked for local classes, but there really isn't much in this area (New Hampshire) that I found.

I have the general understand down but actually taking an ok image and making it something great I just can't do. Shooting raw, most images come out just ok without any work.


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Oct 03, 2010 11:14 |  #9

Have you considered joining NAPP ?

http://www.photoshopus​er.com/benefits (external link)

Here is Kloskowski's lightroom site too..

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Oct 03, 2010 11:22 |  #10

Saxi wrote in post #11025052 (external link)
Plus I use LR not PS for 99% of what I do.

And so do most of the members of the local club I used to belong to. The club had regular meetings which included a presentation on PP techniques.

Saxi wrote in post #11025052 (external link)
I've looked for local classes, but there really isn't much in this area (New Hampshire) that I found.

Jeez... you're talking to someone who lives in a vast desert! Does NH have a PPA (Pro Photographers Association)? The NM PPA offers vast resources and organizes many activities.

http://www.nhppa.com/m​eeting-schedule.html (external link)

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I have the general understand down but actually taking an ok image and making it something great I just can't do.

Some of us are artists, some of us are technicians... I long ago realized that I'm NOT an artist! :lol:


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Oct 03, 2010 11:23 |  #11

Saxi wrote in post #11025052 (external link)
I have the general understand down but actually taking an ok image and making it something great I just can't do. Shooting raw, most images come out just ok without any work.

I suspect you are lacking a little in the confidence department. Why not post a couple of images; say what you think they are lacking and let the guys here work on them. I'll bet in two minutes flat they'll produce what you are looking for, and tell you how they did it.


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Oct 03, 2010 11:28 |  #12

It depends on what you're trying to accomplish then using the appropriate tools and methods for the task. While Lightroom is an extremely capable tool it cannot replace or substitute for Photoshop. If you want to really do radical transformations you need Photoshop since you cannot select at the pixel-level in Lightroom.

I know many would disagree with me but that's my opinion based on using Photoshop for over 15 years and Lightroom since beta.


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Oct 03, 2010 13:00 |  #13

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Where can I learn how to really get good with post production?

Practice a lot and learn from your mistakes.
Have someone else look at your finished images to get feedback from the "outside". Make sure they are critical.


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Have you considered joining NAPP ?

http://www.photoshopus​er.com/benefits (external link)

Here is Kloskowski's lightroom site too..

http://lightroomkiller​tips.com/ (external link)

I am a member of NAPP, but I wasn't a big fan. It is a bunch of mini tutorials of varying quality, but no Point A to Z type of training for this specific thing. I follow Kloskowski's site and subscribe to his RSS feed.


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Oct 03, 2010 14:11 |  #15

ChasP505 wrote in post #11025107 (external link)
And so do most of the members of the local club I used to belong to. The club had regular meetings which included a presentation on PP techniques.

Jeez... you're talking to someone who lives in a vast desert! Does NH have a PPA (Pro Photographers Association)? The NM PPA offers vast resources and organizes many activities.

http://www.nhppa.com/m​eeting-schedule.html (external link)

Some of us are artists, some of us are technicians... I long ago realized that I'm NOT an artist! :lol:

I've tried two biggest photography clubs in the area and both of them were not very good. I haven't seen the NHPPA one and will check that out. I gave it an honest go but even members were falling asleep in the meetings.


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