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Oct 18, 2010 04:36 |  #1

Me and My partner and her family went out for the day to sandringham and took my 500D with the Kit lens and we took our little cheap point and shoot, The 500D was used in Creative Auto mode, and when we got home and started looking at the photos we realised that the images that came from the smaller camera looker better the 500D they showed more of the blue sky and colour were more vivid and just looked better alround, the 500D ones had the sky pretty much over exposed and the colours were dull and alot of the photos just look slightly blurry, it should not be right that photos taken with a £100 point shoot should be better than they are from a £500 DSLR, most of the photos on the DSLR had over exposed on everyones face also.


What am I doing wrong??, I know a polarizer filter will help with the sky but still, I should not need to buy of these to beat the image quality of my cheap camera.

I have ordered a copy of Brian Petersons Understanding Exposure but it's obviously not just that as my small camera coped fine on Auto.


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Oct 18, 2010 04:47 |  #2

Creative Automatic -> you didn't have images set to "brighter"


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Oct 18, 2010 05:16 as a reply to  @ DetlevCM's post |  #3

I had the creative auto on its default settings, exposure was bang in the middle, I mean I get the fact that had I changed abit more I could have got better results, but I would expect the default setting to beat the default setting on my P+S.


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Oct 18, 2010 05:22 |  #4

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I had the creative auto on its default settings, exposure was bang in the middle.

Were you metering on any dark areas?

I know when I started I used my 400D on full automatic at first - and as far as I can tell it was spot on (I moved to full manual since).


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Oct 18, 2010 05:28 |  #5

Metering was on Evaluative and I was pretty much just taking the shot assuming the the metering was being done for me, and yeah I guess compared to the sky, ground level would be the darker areas.


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Oct 18, 2010 05:37 |  #6

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Metering was on Evaluative and I was pretty much just taking the shot assuming the the metering was being done for me, and yeah I guess compared to the sky, ground level would be the darker areas.

Hmm... should work properly then...

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Oct 18, 2010 05:39 |  #7

Does the 500 have picture or scene modes? A few years ago when I was a complete beginner I was initially disappointed with the vibrancy of the images compare to my P&S, then I discovered the scene settings. There you can set saturation, contrast, sharpness etc. Try it.


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Oct 18, 2010 05:40 |  #8

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Hmm... should work properly then...

Examples?


Will have a look later and upload some examples, need to go get ready for lunch.

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it has Picture styles that you can set and upload them to the camera, I just dont want to think that the default can be so poor compared to my small one.


"There you can set saturation, contrast, sharpness etc" Yeah I can set these also, I just dont know what the best setting is.


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Oct 18, 2010 05:52 |  #9

I'd like to see examples too, before saying anything for sure. But generally speaking, P&S cameras normally apply lots of processing in the camera itself to make the pictures look "better", while DSLRs tend to apply only minimal amounts (at least by default) because the people using them usually want as much manual control as possible.

And there isn't really a "best" setting for saturation, contrast, etc. The best setting is simply the setting you like most, and even then it likely won't be the same for every single place you're shooting. So all you can really do is go and test them out.




  
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Oct 18, 2010 06:31 |  #10

If shooting in automatic and saving as jpegs, then remember the in-camera settings can all be adjusted. Sharpness, saturation, mode, etc, etc. It sounds like your little point and shoot has some non adjustable factory set defaults in place, with the dSLR you have to tweak these if thats what you want. The manual will explain how to do this.

Personally I'd avoid that like the plague, shoot in RAW and tweak the images later while processing. The shots should then look far better than the point and shoot images.

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Oct 18, 2010 06:45 as a reply to  @ Lowner's post |  #11

In the ones where the P&S got a good blue sky...is the ground(and usually subject) too dark? There is a balance to the two of these, typically its either the ground correctly exposed or the sky, not both.


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Oct 18, 2010 07:24 |  #12

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Me and My partner and her family went out for the day to sandringham and took my 500D with the Kit lens and we took our little cheap point and shoot, The 500D was used in Creative Auto mode, and when we got home and started looking at the photos we realised that the images that came from the smaller camera looker better the 500D they showed more of the blue sky and colour were more vivid and just looked better alround, the 500D ones had the sky pretty much over exposed and the colours were dull and alot of the photos just look slightly blurry, it should not be right that photos taken with a £100 point shoot should be better than they are from a £500 DSLR, most of the photos on the DSLR had over exposed on everyones face also.


What am I doing wrong??, I know a polarizer filter will help with the sky but still, I should not need to buy of these to beat the image quality of my cheap camera.

I have ordered a copy of Brian Petersons Understanding Exposure but it's obviously not just that as my small camera coped fine on Auto.

What picture mode were you on? Landscape mode will give you the most Vivid Contrasty colors. Also it depends on where you were metering, as suggested above. Generally P&S tend to do everything for you, where a DSLR is going to make you work a little... this is especially true using any Creative Mode or Manual Mode. Also what brand was your P&S, was it on any specific mode that exaggerates colors/saturation? My friend has a P&S that has many modes that will give a certain Color Hue to every picture, or exaggerate the Color Saturation. Generally DSLR's don't have these modes, because photographers do this in PP in something like Lightroom or Aperture... there's more control there and you still have the original negative instead of an enhanced image straight from the camera.


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Oct 18, 2010 08:11 |  #13

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What picture mode were you on? Landscape mode will give you the most Vivid Contrasty colors. Also it depends on where you were metering, as suggested above. Generally P&S tend to do everything for you, where a DSLR is going to make you work a little... this is especially true using any Creative Mode or Manual Mode. Also what brand was your P&S, was it on any specific mode that exaggerates colors/saturation? My friend has a P&S that has many modes that will give a certain Color Hue to every picture, or exaggerate the Color Saturation. Generally DSLR's don't have these modes, because photographers do this in PP in something like Lightroom or Aperture... there's more control there and you still have the original negative instead of an enhanced image straight from the camera.


Hi the point and shoot is a Kodak z1485, one thing I would like to know if its possible to change is the points of focus, I know in manual you can choose what you want, but when in Creative Auto is just seems to choose its own focus points, sometimes not the point you want in focus, the 500D has 9 points of focus, is there anyway in Creative Auto to set it to focus the whole image and not specific points??


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Oct 18, 2010 08:22 |  #14

did you check what the ISO setting was on?


  
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Oct 18, 2010 08:34 |  #15

I always try to think of a P&S as a quick, get decent quality images that capture the moment. What I don't expect is shallow DOF conveying a sense of depth and focus in my images or the ability to focus in on the small nuances that can change the feeling of an image.

While I understand that the 500D has the modes such as 'creative' and 'portrait', I would encourage you to read the "Understanding Exposure" book and then practice so that you are comfortable in the M, Tv, and Ap modes where you, the photographer, have more control. Also, get acquainted with DPP from Canon or Lightroom from Adobe to really make those DSLR photos pop in post processing. Think of a DSLR not as a one stop solution for great photos, but as a tool in your toolbox for creating lasting memories.


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