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Oct 26, 2010 07:27 |  #316

kitacanon wrote in post #11166898 (external link)
Another free software is Raw Therapee....and free DPP will allow you to convert RAW files for free too....and the latest version now has Unsharpen Mask too.

I will try out RAW Therapee ..... DPP came with my Canon EOS 500D its a nice program. Thanks
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p.s. Just discovered DPP has a Sharpening feature


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Oct 26, 2010 16:35 |  #317

James_T wrote in post #11166945 (external link)
I will try out RAW Therapee ..... DPP came with my Canon EOS 500D its a nice program. Thanks
James

p.s. Just discovered DPP has a Sharpening feature

James - have you latest version of DPP?

http://software.canon-europe.com/software/00​39356.asp (external link)

The sharpening is much improved - it includes unsharp mask under the RAW tab.

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Oct 27, 2010 03:04 |  #318

Hi Glenn NK
No I have 3.8.1.0 version on my laptop. I will install 3.9.2 ..... I see Canon has also updated the EOS utlity as well
Many thanks for pointing out update!
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Nov 02, 2010 08:53 as a reply to  @ James_T's post |  #319

I would like to give my point of you regarding the sharpening for portraits.
After having applied USM, Sharpening etc to my pictures I have reached this conclusion: the best way to achieve a very sharpen picture is to apply Selective sharpening as explained here: http://meetthegimp.org …e-6-selective-sharpening/ (external link).

This is the original photo as obtained by my Canon 400D without particular PP:

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/5139202435_316c3ac642_b.jpg

Here the same photo with GIMP USM (Radius 4, Amount 0,25, Threshold 12):
IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4151/5139808528_6d6b581429_b.jpg

Here with the High Pass Filter as suggested at this link http://registry.gimp.o​rg/node/7385#comment-7559 (external link)
IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5139808336_acdf313032_b.jpg

Here at the end my best way to sharpen, the Selective Sharpening as explained here http://meetthegimp.org …e-6-selective-sharpening/ (external link):

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/5139202659_cc8d37a273_b.jpg

What do you think? Please let me know your opinions, thanks.

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Nov 02, 2010 09:26 as a reply to  @ dinifra's post |  #320

I use The GIMP 2.6 thanks for links. I have installed the high pass script.
Rgds James


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Nov 02, 2010 10:18 as a reply to  @ James_T's post |  #321

I don't like the result of this filter for sharpening: there someone wrote "it's fantastic", bah.


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Nov 05, 2010 21:58 |  #322

I joined this forum speficially to defend High Pass sharpening :)

dinifra wrote in post #11210485 (external link)
I don't like the result of this filter for sharpening: there someone wrote "it's fantastic", bah.

If you're referring to High Pass.. well, it *is* excellent if used properly. One of the reasons it is superior to USM is that it doesn't create noise, especially on blacks. Since discovering it, I use High Pass almost exclusively for my sharpening.

It looks like you oversharpened the image above. Step it down. You're using an overlay layer, right? Tweak the opacity to acheive an appropriate level of sharpening. And, depending on the image, I sometimes find myself using different blending modes -- though 98.5% of the time it's an Overlay.




  
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Nov 06, 2010 12:55 as a reply to  @ pg xiii's post |  #323

I retried applyingHP Filter and I put 50% opacity overaly:

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/5151258287_325a2fc5f7_b.jpg

I prefer selective sharpening, did you try it?

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Nov 13, 2010 16:21 as a reply to  @ post 5084533 |  #324

I'm not blind. I wish I could see enough difference to understand.


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Dec 01, 2010 02:32 |  #325

on pg. 14 I did a few comparisons in sharpening....here are a couple of shots that show differences more clearly I think...the sharpening is Unsharpen Mask (USM) @ 200/.3/0...the difference is clearer at 100% crop though once you can see it at 100%, you know how to see it on full frame images...

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The shot was taken with the 28mm Vivitar @ F2 (it's stuck there), which is why this corner crop is pretty soft, though better when USM is added....

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Dec 08, 2010 10:09 as a reply to  @ kitacanon's post |  #326

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I've learned so much already just from reading the first few pages. I can't wait to try applying some of these techniques to my photos. I've always felt sharpness was a major issue of mine, and hopefully this will help me greatly. Thank you all!


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Dec 09, 2010 14:30 |  #327

Great thread, thanks to all who have contributed. I'm just now starting to shoot in RAW and this thread will really help me get started. I mainly take pictures of my sons.


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Dec 27, 2010 15:59 |  #328

Perry Ge wrote in post #5075028 (external link)
Edit: I've learned a ton from this thread since I started it. I still do my capture sharpening in ACR, but I use the masking and detail sliders now by holding down the option/alt key - you get an amazing amount of control in ACR alone. I've also switched to smart sharpen on a separate layer (so I can make layer masks or reduce opacity) as my preferred output sharpening method over the high pass method. I no longer touch USM unless I'm using it for defogging.

Great thread just starting to go through it now.

Perry is there any guide lines on how much to adjust the sliders in ACR , ie depending on what your subject is a portrait or a landscape.

You also use smart sharpen on a seperate layer, so is that a duplicate layer ?


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Dec 27, 2010 21:14 as a reply to  @ gavcam's post |  #329

I found the High pass is better than USM as you have more control but the selective sharpening (edge layer mask) as in this link works even better with no noise added to background colors .

I use Gimp an use FX foundry plugin which has a lot of good scripts for photo's .
But I did first do it manually like in this link above

http://meetthegimp.org …e-6-selective-sharpening/ (external link)




  
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Dec 29, 2010 21:51 |  #330

To add to the compliments....Great Thread!!!! I would always see other photos and think about how I could get sharper images. I can't wait to try out some of the techniques suggested here. For the longest I thought it was my camera, I even increased the sharpness to 6 to try and achieve sharper images. Does this help to improve anything in a photo???




  
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