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Nov 03, 2010 12:09 |  #31

So, from what I am hearing, it's a US issue, whether that be laziness, UPS, Fedex or USPS...

I'd say its both. In my experience shipping to some countries can take a month (buyers always want the cheapest form of shipping). So you have to wait longer to see if the transaction gets screwed up. I've also been burned in the past, and other systems don't seem as reliable.
Its also laziness, I don't ship a lot and getting a quote on shipping seems problematic. I end up quoting the wrong amount, get to the PO and end up paying another $30 that I didn't plan on. If your not used to selling, why sign up for all the headaches when there is just as much as a demand locally?


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Nov 03, 2010 12:28 |  #32

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So, from what I am hearing, it's a US issue, whether that be laziness, UPS, Fedex or USPS...
Sounds odd, both Adorama and B&H have shipped to me without issue, in B&H's case items arrived within 48 hours on 2 occasions without expedited shipping being paid.
The example of a $400 lens growing to a $450 expense is probably about right, but misses the point, here the bloody lens starts at $600......(Though I get the fees bigpow, I may be prepared to pay them)

Businesses have incentive to sell to as many people as possible. A used seller is generally not trying to maximize profit, just convert an item into cash. It is different. I don't make any extra money if I have 3 people that want my lens because I only have one to sell.

Let's turn this around and I'll ask if you were selling a lens and had two buyers contact you, one from AUS and the other from the US. Who would you prefer to sell to?


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Nov 03, 2010 12:32 |  #33

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I guess absolutely no one has used USPS Priority Int'l flat rate.

I did once, totally painless

Bingo...I always ask people to ship with USPS, and it's always been smooth and painless for everyone involved.


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Nov 03, 2010 21:22 |  #34

LowriderS10 wrote in post #11217957 (external link)
Bingo...I always ask people to ship with USPS, and it's always been smooth and painless for everyone involved.

usually is painless. But not unless it's the Canadian custom thing, then it may take about a month to arrive.


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Nov 03, 2010 21:54 |  #35

LowriderS10 wrote in post #11217957 (external link)
Bingo...I always ask people to ship with USPS, and it's always been smooth and painless for everyone involved.

I am in the retail shipping business. We do not offer insurance on international mail, as we know that the likelyhood of being able to make good on a claim with USPS is next to impossible. If a customer needs insurance, it goes UPS, FedEX, or DHL.

On a personal sale, I'm only willing to ship USPS if the buyer takes on any and all responsibility for it arriving or not. The moment it gets handed to USPS, the sale is final.

In CONUS, I will ship via UPS or FedEx, as I know I can safely insure and track the package, with a much higher reliability rate. If you follow the carrier guidelines for packaging, claims are fairly painless.

It's simply about risk and responsibility.


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Nov 03, 2010 21:57 |  #36

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Not to sound insensitive, but there is just no incentive for us sellers in the US to ship out of the country. There is generally plenty of interest in the items locally. And if I am going to end up with the same amount of money in my pocket, I am going to pick the route that does not involve filling out customs declarations and waiting to see if it makes it across the ocean (or border) without getting stuck in customs. Sure your country may have a great shipping system and lax import policies, but going across borders amplifies the risk, and again, for the same money I'd be making shipping to the next state.

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I'd say its both. In my experience shipping to some countries can take a month (buyers always want the cheapest form of shipping). So you have to wait longer to see if the transaction gets screwed up. I've also been burned in the past, and other systems don't seem as reliable.
Its also laziness, I don't ship a lot and getting a quote on shipping seems problematic. I end up quoting the wrong amount, get to the PO and end up paying another $30 that I didn't plan on. If your not used to selling, why sign up for all the headaches when there is just as much as a demand locally?

...and this.

I have changed my mind a few times and shipped international, and to be honest it always got there just fine without a hitch, but I have also underestimated the shipping charges multiple times and ended up putting out more money than I should have. I always absorbed the cost as I considered it my mistake, but I don't even want to take a chance anymore.

I'm sorry if this is viewed as lazy or uncooperative, and I certainly am sympathetic to your plights, but my experience is that it is a big hassle. Especially when I can get the same money without locally without the hassle or worry.


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Nov 03, 2010 22:16 |  #37

IUnknown wrote in post #11217840 (external link)
I'd say its both. In my experience shipping to some countries can take a month (buyers always want the cheapest form of shipping). So you have to wait longer to see if the transaction gets screwed up. I've also been burned in the past, and other systems don't seem as reliable.
Its also laziness, I don't ship a lot and getting a quote on shipping seems problematic. I end up quoting the wrong amount, get to the PO and end up paying another $30 that I didn't plan on. If your not used to selling, why sign up for all the headaches when there is just as much as a demand locally?

For us we walk into the post office, pickup an express international freight satchel, declare it to be non DG (by signing once) and nominate a value, pick an insurance option, label it, seal and send. Given the feedback here my opinion of Australia Post which was already high is going through the roof.

tkbslc wrote in post #11217933 (external link)
Businesses have incentive to sell to as many people as possible. A used seller is generally not trying to maximize profit, just convert an item into cash. It is different. I don't make any extra money if I have 3 people that want my lens because I only have one to sell.

Let's turn this around and I'll ask if you were selling a lens and had two buyers contact you, one from AUS and the other from the US. Who would you prefer to sell to?

The one who paid me a fair price the fastest, assuming delivery costs are at the buyers cost.... On ebay I only deal through paypal and make every payment within 5 minutes of winning the auction, never had an issue. But, I have never sold anything there, I wasn't deliberately being critical, I was wondering why I was being excluded from buying...

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This...

...and this.

I have changed my mind a few times and shipped international, and to be honest it always got there just fine without a hitch, but I have also underestimated the shipping charges multiple times and ended up putting out more money than I should have. I always absorbed the cost as I considered it my mistake, but I don't even want to take a chance anymore.

I'm sorry if this is viewed as lazy or uncooperative, and I certainly am sympathetic to your plights, but my experience is that it is a big hassle. Especially when I can get the same money without locally without the hassle or worry.

Just to clear up the "laziness" comment, in my head I was thinking "not worth the effort", not that the effort wouldn't be made, if that makes sense :)


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Nov 03, 2010 23:49 |  #38

IUnknown wrote in post #11217840 (external link)
I don't ship a lot and getting a quote on shipping seems problematic. I end up quoting the wrong amount, get to the PO and end up paying another $30 that I didn't plan on. If your not used to selling, why sign up for all the headaches when there is just as much as a demand locally?

that's true, after a few times, i'm quite accustom to know where and how much i'm paying for shipping, although there are still times that i misquote a shipping cost, but after i got a good feel of the shipping cost, i usually don't misquote by a large margin. I guess things gets better with experience, and if one is not accustom to the cost and process and don't want to mess with it, then i guess by all means don't do it. But sometimes, it's a good thing to get accustom to the shipping cost because when i'm the buyer, then i know whether someone is overcharging or undercharging for the shipping.


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Nov 04, 2010 00:07 as a reply to  @ post 11217283 |  #39

Yeah it's a bit crappy that so many businesses don't ship outside of CONUS. But as mentioned, fair enough if your government asks for a bajillion forms to be filled out. I'd probably say no as well if I had to do that constantly.

Anyway, with the USD in an absolute mess right now, and the AUD doing so well, I'm happy to pay that bit extra to people who WILL send overseas via FedEx/DHL/UPS etc.


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Nov 04, 2010 06:50 |  #40

Well, if this is the resident not-in-US thread, are the rebates on B+H gear avaliable outside the US?

I need some more Sandisk cards and B+H has them cheaper than anywhere (God I love our strong dollar) plus it is cheaper to get a lens bundled than shipping in a used one separately.


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Nov 04, 2010 09:43 |  #41

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All the stuff I've had shipped to Laos has never been inspected.. The packages remained unopened as the supplier sent them..

Look, Laos is a rapidly developing country.. It's as poor as a church mouse and relies on foreign aid and investment just to survive.. 85% of the GDP is from foreign aid and investment.. There are many foreigners (like myself) working here.. The Lao government needs to incourage investment, foreign experts working here and the flow of foreign aid.. There is a huge ex-pat community here.. If the government made it difficult for foreingers to be here we would all pack up and go home..

BTW,, did I mention the local beer?? Second to none;)

So, you're saying you moved there because of the beer?

Well, I can think of worse reasons....




  
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Nov 04, 2010 09:48 |  #42

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So, you're saying you moved there because of the beer?

Well, I can think of worse reasons....

Did I mention the beautiful women??

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Nov 04, 2010 10:01 |  #43

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Did I mention the beautiful women??

;););)

After enough of that beer, they're ALL beautiful!




  
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Nov 04, 2010 11:29 |  #44

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After enough of that beer, they're ALL beautiful!

Beer goggles!


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Nov 04, 2010 11:56 |  #45

tkbslc wrote in post #11215548 (external link)
Not to sound insensitive, but there is just no incentive for us sellers in the US to ship out of the country. There is generally plenty of interest in the items locally. And if I am going to end up with the same amount of money in my pocket, I am going to pick the route that does not involve filling out customs declarations and waiting to see if it makes it across the ocean (or border) without getting stuck in customs. Sure your country may have a great shipping system and lax import policies, but going across borders amplifies the risk, and again, for the same money I'd be making shipping to the next state.

Same reasoning here. Not worth ther risk and extra hassle to me to sell/ship international.


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