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Ambient MS BBall with a 85mm f1.8 and a question about a noiseware program

 
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Nov 04, 2010 02:07 |  #1

Well it's basketball season again and this year I have a Canon EF85mm f1.8 to try out. My son decided to play on his Middle School team this year, so I just had to shoot that as well as his Prep league play later this month.

The 85mm is an interesting lens to shoot Bball with on a crop body. I'm definently shooting from well outside the key on the baseline in most schools. My son's school gym allows me to be closer to the key because of it's deep back walls, but I'm liking the different looks I'm getting with the 85mm.

Last year I shot mostly with wider lenses on my 40D and then finally settling on using the 24-70L. So I'm getting used to not being able to widen out to capture all the action. Having that lens on when my son drove the base line and then put up a Kareem Abdual-Jabar type sky-hook for 2 would have been a better choice. The 85 was just too tight for that from where I was sitting.

And then to my other issue, I'm not a big fan of the ambient light indoor sports shots. I think I can get my strobes up for his last game tomorrow, but for now, the ambient will have to do. I just don't like the high ISO abilities of my camera. Maybe I just need a new body... Hmmmm...

Anyhow, the image I've got so far using the 85mm and ambient.

#1, What a face for such a young dude!

IMAGE: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1313/5145147134_8b678ce47d_b.jpg

#2
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#3
IMAGE: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1138/5145144772_e50dea974a_b.jpg

#4, My son shooting one of his 16 points that night.
IMAGE: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1192/5145150438_62704effaa_b.jpg

And now on to the really dark gym game and ISO 3200, ewwwwwww...
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So obviously shooting the 40D at ISO 3200 is not advisable and using strobes helps so very much, but is there a noise program out there that can help these images? I've been looking at DeNoise by Topaz Labs, I've tried some of their other products and like them. Any suggestions here.

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Nov 04, 2010 05:03 |  #2

If you want to sell them apparently parents will buy anything of little johnny. noisy or not.


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Nov 04, 2010 09:04 |  #3

I am surprised you had to shoot them @ 3200 ISO. We have spme pretty horrible middle school gyms around here that I shoot for my kids and I am usually around 1600.

Are you sure the shutter speed is appropriate ? I know its hard to switch up allot but that last shot could of been done @ 1/250 and a lower ISO




  
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Nov 04, 2010 16:12 as a reply to  @ mrbtd's post |  #4

neatimage
on-line download about £20 pounds for licence
will wash iso noise out of pics
i use it myself for school gym bb and highly recommend it
plus easy to use and batch process
you can try before u buy as well...




  
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Nov 04, 2010 20:31 |  #5

mrbtd wrote in post #11223194 (external link)
I am surprised you had to shoot them @ 3200 ISO. We have spme pretty horrible middle school gyms around here that I shoot for my kids and I am usually around 1600.

Are you sure the shutter speed is appropriate ? I know its hard to switch up allot but that last shot could of been done @ 1/250 and a lower ISO

Yeah that last image could have used a lower ISO, but it was one of those where I was following the action on the court and then panned over to the bench and this kid just popped that peace sign out there, so I fired. I've screwed myself before switching things up and then having something happen really fast and not getting the image. The light in that 2nd gym, combined with the dark color on the walls really killed it for using anything lower than ISO 3200. I tried 1600, but I just couldn't get the SS that I wanted.

This was more of a warm-up series of games (only 4 total for the MS) for my son. He'll start playing with his regular Prep team here in a week or so. I used this as a warm up for me too. ;)

I'll look into the NeatImage software. Thanks for the heads up. Any other suggestions of noise reduction software that people like?


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Nov 05, 2010 14:39 |  #6

OK, so I bought a copy of the Home + version of Neat Image and tried it out on an ISO 3200 and ISO 1600 versions of two above images.

Unfiltered ISO 3200

IMAGE: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1412/5145108274_13f0aab368_b.jpg

Neat Image filtered ISO 3200
IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/5149457728_1510963336_b.jpg

Unfiltered ISO 1600
IMAGE: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1192/5145150438_62704effaa_b.jpg

Neat Image filtered ISO 1600
IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/5149458108_dd86cfc710_b.jpg

What think you all?

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Nov 08, 2010 21:46 as a reply to  @ ChasWG's post |  #7

There is improvement of the noise between the before and after pics
The process I tend to use is as follows

1: use lightroom or photoshop to crop and rotate to get the composition that you are happy with also to push up the exposure and brightness.

2: then use neat image to wash and sharpen i try one of default selections under the advanced heading and then adjust all the sliders until I am happy with results I then save that setting for future use. By moving the sliders u can really bring out the photo to give u the results u are looking for. Use the before and after preview box to keep up to date with your alterations.

3: resize the photo the Microsoft picture manager to say large or small document

4: sit back crack open a cold one and just enjoy your results

If you look on facebook for

Tees Valley Mohawks Basketball U18 & U16

Look in photo section u can see for yourself my results and if they are of a quality that u would be happy with

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Nov 09, 2010 17:54 as a reply to  @ wjsp's post |  #8

You will love shooting with strobes once you get the hang of it.

Your shots have reasonable captures and you are getting low to shoot them which is good. Next time, don't forget to get shots on the dribble, driving to the hoop, rebounding, or making a steal. Variety is good.


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Nov 13, 2010 01:42 |  #9

Thanks Phil, you guys helped me out with the strobes last season. I finally got the hang of it and started to get better with them. It was just that series of basketball games (4 in all) that was with my son's Middle School team and the coach wasn't sure about me using strobes. He had questions about the strobes and what the effect of them on the game would be. I finally convinced him and I got to use them for the last game of the season (for 7th graders it's only a 4 game season with this school). My son's regular Prep team will begin practising soon and I'll be strobing all those games.

I usually set up at one end of the floor for the entire game. So I do get to see a fair number of defensive plays, rebounds and steals as well as the offensive plays too. I haven't finished going through all the game images yet. I am so far behind on my image managment that things are getting left behind. I still have football images to sort, vacation shots to work through and two basketball games that need my attention and all before the Prep league Bball season starts!


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Nov 14, 2010 08:52 |  #10

I regularly cover indoor tennis in Canada, low light, lots of noise at ISO 3200. I batch process using noiseware professional in photoshop. Great results to get rid of the red complexions caused by the excess noise.


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