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Nov 08, 2010 05:39 |  #31

I purchased a used 400mm 5.6 and absolutely love it. Another enthusiastic vote for the 400 5.6 prime.




  
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Nov 08, 2010 06:46 |  #32

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DO? Barf, you can't be serious.

People who tend to "bad mouth" the 400DO have usually not had a chance to use one. Through a series of fortunate events, I was able to get one a year ago, and it delivers spectacular images...easily on par with almost anything else Canon makes. Here are a couple of examples:

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Nov 08, 2010 07:15 as a reply to  @ Chris B.'s post |  #33

The focus as noted with the 400mm f/5.6 is very fast.




  
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Nov 10, 2010 23:13 |  #34

Thanks for everyone's input and will start searching for a 400mm 5.6 prime!


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Nov 10, 2010 23:16 |  #35

If it had Image Stabilization it would be a nice lens, but at that focal length there is no way to hand hold that lens and take decent shots. I would spend the extra money and get the 100-400mm which can be hand held even at 1/30 sec shutter speed and 400mm.




  
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Nov 11, 2010 00:01 |  #36

Yusef wrote in post #11263322 (external link)
If it had Image Stabilization it would be a nice lens, but at that focal length there is no way to hand hold that lens and take decent shots.

Except for many of us owners that take sharp hand held shots using it....???




  
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Nov 11, 2010 00:02 |  #37

I agree but as it will be used mostly for surfing with a mono/tripod IS isn't a factor. The 100-400 was what I was leaning towards until I found the 400mm 5.6.

Yusef wrote in post #11263322 (external link)
If it had Image Stabilization it would be a nice lens, but at that focal length there is no way to hand hold that lens and take decent shots. I would spend the extra money and get the 100-400mm which can be hand held even at 1/30 sec shutter speed and 400mm.


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Nov 11, 2010 01:55 |  #38

I've compared the 400/5.6 and my 300/4 IS with a 1.4x II converter. It was no contest - the 400mm lens walked it in both image quality and speed of focus. BUT... this is only the case if I had the lens mounted on a tripod. I found it quite impossible to get sharp hand held shots with the 400/5.6 while the 300/4 IS is easy.

I suppose there's enough light but surfing will probably need reasonably short exposures - would the trade off between ISO related noise and cropping come into play?


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Nov 11, 2010 03:26 |  #39

Yusef wrote in post #11263322 (external link)
If it had Image Stabilization it would be a nice lens, but at that focal length there is no way to hand hold that lens and take decent shots. I would spend the extra money and get the 100-400mm which can be hand held even at 1/30 sec shutter speed and 400mm.

I've been tossing up between the 400mm 5.6 and the 100 - 400. You've helped me decide. Thank you.

Now I just have to find the funds ...


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Nov 11, 2010 08:14 |  #40

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I think he can be serious about the DO. I did a brief test on a used 400 f4 DO at my favoured camera store. When I got home I compared results with previous test shots taken (at the same location) with my 300f4 is, 400 f2.8 (no longer mine) and 600 f4 is. I agree with criticisims that the colour and contrast of the DO are not up to it's £5k price tag, however this "used" example is one of the sharpest lenses I have ever tried at ANY focal length I have tried! I read they are not sharp due to the DO element - I don't think so!
However it's well outside his price range and - at the moment - mine!

That may be but I can't get over the color and contrast - its so much money and yeah it's lighter but sheesh, it leaves a lot to be desired.


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Nov 11, 2010 18:10 |  #41

bobbyz wrote in post #11235667 (external link)
If you need 400mm get 400mm f5.6. Nothing with TCs is going to better than native 400mm f5.6.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This

I recently tried a 300 F4 both with my Sigma 1.4 and a Canon 1.4 against my 100-400. After viewing the images on my PC when I got home, I couldn't tell them apart. No way would I give up the versitility of the zoom now after comparing images from all configurations.


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Nov 11, 2010 18:30 |  #42

JonK wrote in post #11264739 (external link)
That may be but I can't get over the color and contrast - its so much money and yeah it's lighter but sheesh, it leaves a lot to be desired.

In my short VERY non scientific test I stated that I found that the colour and contrast seemed a bit muted but that the sharpness was excellent as was detail resolution. The colour/contrast can be corrected in Photoshop quite easily as the information is there but just slightly muted compared to other top Canon lenses - not ideal but easily correctable. This would not put me off the lens, what does is the very high price, I simply don't feel that the weight/size saving over a convertional 400 f4 is (if it were made) would be worth the extra cost. The DO (that I tried) remains a lens capable of remarkable resolution, compared to my Canon BIG GUN (600 f4IS) - it just needs a little help and, I think, a bit overpriced.


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Nov 12, 2010 20:18 |  #43

You will NOT be happy with a 200 f/2.8 and a 2x tcon. Period. The 200 f/2.8 is a fine lens, but it doesn't stand up to more than a great quality 1.4x tcon, and even that is a stretch (even stopped down!). I myself am selling off the 200 f/2.8 in favor of a 400 f/5.6 prime. A bit bigger, but hey, it's longer, and with a 70-200 f/4 IS I think the 200 f/2.8 is a little redundant anyway.


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Nov 12, 2010 20:24 |  #44

cskorik wrote in post #11274623 (external link)
You will NOT be happy with a 200 f/2.8 and a 2x tcon. Period. The 200 f/2.8 is a fine lens, but it doesn't stand up to more than a great quality 1.4x tcon, and even that is a stretch (even stopped down!). I myself am selling off the 200 f/2.8 in favor of a 400 f/5.6 prime. A bit bigger, but hey, it's longer, and with a 70-200 f/4 IS I think the 200 f/2.8 is a little redundant anyway.

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Nov 13, 2010 06:26 |  #45

JonK wrote in post #11274642 (external link)
70-200 II with 2X EF Converter (II), I am happy with it. Though, I want a 400 5.6 just for a dedicated prime 400. But this is definitely acceptable.

Is it still acceptable when the subject is moving though?
The OP wants to use it for shooting surfing remember.
I would have thought in most sport situations the 2 x TC is going to struggle to be fast enough to catch the action.


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