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Nov 28, 2010 17:26 |  #31

Grunch:

Stop taking the same pictures that someone can take for free

Edit...she sounds like any number of four letter words to me. You probably dodged a bullet. People that say "I'll get ya next time!" or "this could lead to future work!" are always full of ****.


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Nov 28, 2010 17:36 |  #32

You know, I do a lot of Pro Bono work but at my discretion. i have shot a small wedding for free where the couple were both 19 years old and the bride was 5 months pregnant. Both were in school and working full-time minimum wage jobs. Their baby needed the money more than I did. But that was my choice. I have also shot all my nieces and nephews weddings but I can also tell them "No Complaints" is the contract they sign or else I'll punch them in the chops ;)

I can't imagine someone using the "free" card as leverage. I would walk away.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:10 as a reply to  @ Maureen Souza's post |  #33

See if her closest competitor needs some photography work :)


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Nov 28, 2010 18:21 |  #34

To those recommending that she raise her rates or decline working for the lady in the future: be careful because you're starting to wade in the waters of discrimination. That water is hot.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:24 |  #35

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To those recommending that she raise her rates or decline working for the lady in the future: be careful because you're starting to wade in the waters of discrimination. That water is hot.

Doubt it. How is that discrimination? It's not like he's saying he's going to charge more because she's a certain ethnicity.

A good line to use would be "you got bad results the first time because the photographer couldn't pull it off, so now I'm going to charge more, because now I know exactly how hard the job really is."


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Nov 28, 2010 18:28 |  #36
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mikekelley wrote in post #11360202 (external link)
Doubt it. How is that discrimination? It's not like he's saying he's going to charge more because she's a certain ethnicity.

A good line to use would be "you got bad results the first time because the photographer couldn't pull it off, so now I'm going to charge more, because now I know exactly how hard the job really is."

That's fine and dandy...as long as you can back up those big words. My understanding is the OP never shot dance before. What makes the OP an expert for this job? I shoot landscapes and I sure would not go into a dance studio thinking I can do better than someone else...even is that someone else does it for free.




  
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Nov 28, 2010 18:32 |  #37

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That's fine and dandy...as long as you can back up those big words. My understanding is the OP never shot dance before. What makes the OP an expert for this job? I shoot landscapes and I sure would not go into a dance studio thinking I can do better than someone else...even is that someone else does it for free.

Fake it till you make it, what else can I say. Pretty sure the likes of Chase Jarvis, Zack Arias, Joe McNally, etc, all have subjects that they haven't shot before, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't come back with something great - and you can bet your butt they're charging their full prices!


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Nov 28, 2010 18:35 |  #38

I really hate it when you get a client like this, but their business is something you really want to photograph. But at the end of the day, you have to let them go.

you need to make them want to go and save $$ and come back to you next year to do it properly. I had that once. felt good.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:37 |  #39

mikekelley wrote in post #11360237 (external link)
Fake it till you make it, what else can I say. Pretty sure the likes of Chase Jarvis, Zack Arias, Joe McNally, etc, all have subjects that they haven't shot before, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't come back with something great - and you can bet your butt they're charging their full prices!

Full price, sure. But not a **** surcharge. You can't have someone pay extra fees just because you think they MIGHT be difficult. Your rates better be higher across the board and for everyone if you're going to up them if/when she comes back.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:38 |  #40

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Full price, sure. But not a **** surcharge.

It's not a **** surcharge - it's an updated estimate gained from new information about the job.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:41 |  #41

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It's not a **** surcharge - it's an updated estimate gained from new information about the job.

That "new information about the job" better be legitimate. As it stands, she simply has an attitude and that makes it a **** surcharge.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:43 |  #42

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Without something legitimate to back that up, it's a **** surcharge.

What is she going to do, sue me for services I didn't render or something?

Ha. Seriously. I wouldn't be afraid to charge more for a job after finding out that someone had tried to do it and failed. Now I know that the job is probably more difficult than I anticipated, and an updated quote would reflect that.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:45 |  #43

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What is she going to do, sue me for services I didn't render or something?

Ha. Seriously. I wouldn't be afraid to charge more for a job after finding out that someone had tried to do it and failed. Now I know that the job is probably more difficult than I anticipated, and an updated quote would reflect that.

Good luck with that. You'd have to find out why the original photographer failed first. Their failure is not an indication that it's more difficult than you anticipated in an of itself.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:46 |  #44

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Good luck with that. You'd have to find out why the original photographer failed first.

No, I really wouldn't. I'd just have to know that they failed.


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Nov 28, 2010 18:48 |  #45

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No, I really wouldn't. I'd just have to know that they failed.

It's not that simple. If you're a popular, well known, excellent portrait photographer and the original photographer never shot a portrait in his or her life, you cannot charge more for a particular portrait session just because the original photographer failed at shooting portraits.


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