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1D MKiiN vs 7D thoughts

 
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Nov 30, 2010 14:04 |  #16

Did not know this !!!!

pyrojim wrote in post #11370849 (external link)
The 7D has dual digic4 chips. And the autofocusing is AT LEAST as fast as the 1D mark 2. And in some situations even faster.


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Nov 30, 2010 14:06 |  #17

Yup
Eightweight is a Flyfishing name.
A custon Cane rod can cost $3,000.00
I meant put the $400.00 to a new 24-70 2.8 "L" lens

ChuckingFluff wrote in post #11370874 (external link)
I'd use the money and buy a nice little cane rod, that's of course if your handle eight weight refers to fly fishing. Other than that I like all the above but $400 won't get you much for a lens maybe a nice little 50 1.4


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Nov 30, 2010 14:07 |  #18

I'd get the 7d, and this is coming from someone who owns a 1d3 and probably would not get a 7d over the 1d3.

the 1d2 is just too old, the LCD sucks, and there just aren't enough features to make me want it over a 7d, which has video, that beautiful LCD, modern controls, etc.

There's just not enough in the 1d2 to make up for it's age. I'd only get one if I seriously beat my cameras up day in and day out, e.g. I was a press photographer who often shot in the rain.


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Nov 30, 2010 14:08 |  #19

All this Digic stuff means is how fast the camera can process photos. The 7D and 1D4 are both dual Digic 4 and they have similar processing rates.

7D 8fps at 18MP
1D4 10fps at 16MP

The 1D4 processes a little more than the 7D, but I suspect this is close to the limit of Digic 4, the next cameras will sport a faster processor (Digic 5?) or triple/quad digic 4s, lol!


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Nov 30, 2010 14:23 as a reply to  @ post 11370874 |  #20

ProcessorSSSS. Dual digic 4's people!!!


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Nov 30, 2010 14:26 |  #21

eightweight wrote in post #11371073 (external link)
Yup
Eightweight is a Flyfishing name.
A custon Cane rod can cost $3,000.00
I meant put the $400.00 to a new 24-70 2.8 "L" lens

You can make a few poor man quad cane rods $400. Best casting rod I used this year was a poor mans quad it was a 2 wt that could throw 90 feet of line. I love to fly fish for pike thats where I got chucking fluff from, most of my pike flies are 12 inches or longer. Anyways sorry about hijacking your thread. Put that 24-70 on the 7D and have fun.




  
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Nov 30, 2010 15:20 |  #22

you must be using a 7 to 9 weight for the chuck and fluff!!!

ChuckingFluff wrote in post #11371191 (external link)
You can make a few poor man quad cane rods $400. Best casting rod I used this year was a poor mans quad it was a 2 wt that could throw 90 feet of line. I love to fly fish for pike thats where I got chucking fluff from, most of my pike flies are 12 inches or longer. Anyways sorry about hijacking your thread. Put that 24-70 on the 7D and have fun.


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Dec 06, 2010 05:11 |  #23

pyrojim wrote in post #11370849 (external link)
The 7D has dual digic4 chips. And the autofocusing is AT LEAST as fast as the 1D mark 2. And in some situations even faster.

Naah, 1D2 is way faster and waaaay more accurate. The 1D2 is a wonderful camera, really. If you're not shooting sports or abusing your camera on a daily basis though, I'd go for the 7D. Lighter, better battery, better ISO, bigger LCD, a lot of useful features...




  
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Dec 06, 2010 12:25 |  #24

ChrisJC wrote in post #11403099 (external link)
Naah, 1D2 is way faster and waaaay more accurate. The 1D2 is a wonderful camera, really. If you're not shooting sports or abusing your camera on a daily basis though, I'd go for the 7D. Lighter, better battery, better ISO, bigger LCD, a lot of useful features...

Have you used/owned both cameras? I have, and I have to disagree with your statements regarding AF speed and accuracy. While the 1D2 may be faster, it's a minimal advantage at best, and I've found no noticeable difference in AF accuracy. Both cameras have been spot-on for me in similar sports shooting.


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Dec 06, 2010 12:54 as a reply to  @ prime80's post |  #25

I would choose a 7D over the 1D2..ISO on the 7D is much better, larger resolution. the AF on the 7D is very good even with very low light it locks very well, Menu system is MUCH better, screen is light years better, microadjustment, the ability to shoot video, the battery on the 1D2's i dont think are ehh. Now if it was a 1D3 or 7D I would pick the 1D3 as I did. but I think the 7D offers more things the the 1D2 other then the build and size of the 1D


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Dec 06, 2010 13:02 |  #26

pyrojim wrote in post #11371171 (external link)
ProcessorSSSS. Dual digic 4's people!!!

People shout out the marketing hype around the processors, but these numbers are meaningless.

What matters is the end result foremost, the specs of the camera, (specs being what it can do, not the numbers assigned it's internal parts) and how it performs for intended task.

Don't get caught up in marketing numbers game, that;s even worse than getting caught up in specs numbers game. ( but at least the spec numbers are based on reality )

If you think the 7D is better, tell us why:
Give us actual reasons:
Tell us what aspects are superior to the MkIIn:
If the reasons are due to the internal processing, explain what aspect is better and how:

Name Dropping Canon's newer processors tells us nothing.

Here's the advantages I would give to the 7D:

Better noise handling
Better Color (14 BIT RAW files)
Much higher resolution and detail, ( = more crop-ability for long range shooters )
Video!
Live view for Macro shooters.
Much lighter
Much better more refined menu systems
Better overall ergonomics, faster handling.
Exceptional AF for the price/body type.

In Favor of the MkII:

Better faster AF in the vast majority of the shooting situations ( yes kids, really still true )
Faster timings in a lot of situations
More durable.
Wider FOV from your wide angle lenses.
Dual Memory cards.

IMHO for most, I'd say the 7D is the better solution to invest in.
For some, the MkII will still be preferred. It depends on your needs.
The remarkable thing is that a Body from 2004 can still hold it's own against a modern Canon wunderkind in many respects.


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Dec 06, 2010 13:15 |  #27

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.... While the 1D2 may be faster, it's a minimal advantage at best, and I've found no noticeable difference in AF accuracy. Both cameras have been spot-on for me in similar sports shooting.

This seems to be the first truly honest and informed post re: the two bodies AF capabilities in this thread.

I truly believe the 7D's AF is so far ahead of all of it's previous ilk, that it compares very favorably with the 1 Series.
In many cases and for MOST users I feel it's AF differences would be not only negligible, but even a wash.

I do not believe the 7D is faster! and in fact feel that for most AF tasks the MkII still does win out... BUT...
Again, I concur that the differences would not be enough to influence the decision for the vast majority of shooters.


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Dec 06, 2010 21:51 |  #28

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #11404931 (external link)
This seems to be the first truly honest and informed post re: the two bodies AF capabilities in this thread.

I truly believe the 7D's AF is so far ahead of all of it's previous ilk, that it compares very favorably with the 1 Series.
In many cases and for MOST users I feel it's AF differences would be not only negligible, but even a wash.

I do not believe the 7D is faster! and in fact feel that for most AF tasks the MkII still does win out... BUT...
Again, I concur that the differences would not be enough to influence the decision for the vast majority of shooters.

Just my honest opinion. I shoot sports regularly. My last 5 cameras prior to the 7D were the 1D MkII, 2x 1D MkIIn, and 2x 1D MkIII. I'm pretty familiar with the AF performance of those cameras, and as I said, while the II and IIn may be faster, it's a very minimal advantage IMO.

I really miss the dual memory slots though. That was one feature I really liked. :)


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Dec 06, 2010 22:41 as a reply to  @ prime80's post |  #29

7D vs 1d2 for me was a tough decision. I had my 1d2, 1d3 and 7D all at the same time. I really needed to decide which two I would keep. After much testing with all of the same lenses I ended up parting with the 7D. Shooting the same events on the same days I had more keepers from the 1D2. I was also never satisfied with the images from the 7D. They seemed to need WAY more processing than the files from the 1D2. I did like the features and the user friendly controls of the 7D. The menu system was fantastic and the LCD was superb!!!

Go to a local shop and give the 7D a try if you haven't already tried one. Getting your hands on a 1DIIn may be a little harder.


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Dec 07, 2010 02:01 |  #30

prime80 wrote in post #11404700 (external link)
Have you used/owned both cameras? I have, and I have to disagree with your statements regarding AF speed and accuracy. While the 1D2 may be faster, it's a minimal advantage at best, and I've found no noticeable difference in AF accuracy. Both cameras have been spot-on for me in similar sports shooting.

I have owned and used them both (2 copies of the 7D) next to a mark III. My experience is that the AF system of the 1D2 beats the 7D by far. Actually, it's nearly perfect IMO.

Shutterlag, blackout time, tracking ability while keeping a high framerate, focussing in low light... small but significant differences that matter, especially when shooting fast and unpredictable sports. The 1D2 keeps performing well where the 7D is all over the place.

I prefer the 7D for anything else but sports though. The ergonomics, size and weight made it a welcome addition to my 1D3 and it is mostly a backup for me. When it comes to sports, I would be hesitant to trust the 7D though.




  
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