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Dec 08, 2010 06:53 |  #1

Hey Guys,

So I think I may need to buy a new lightstand for location work.

I currently have a Manfrotto 307B Maxi Stacker Stand (external link) and a bunch of Chinese specials and Nano's which don't usually leave the house. Now when using the 307B on location I'm having some major issues with the wind knocking around my Ranger head with Octa's attached around on the spigot on top. It's like pivoting around in lightish winds (10km/h, 15km/h gusts) and in heavier winds I have no chance as it just spins around. There's plenty of dead weight on the stand so that's not the issue.

I've had a read over POTN and other forums.

Even Rob's thread over here https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=852980 which made me checked my lighstand but don't think it thats.

So do you think buying a bigger better steel light stands like the Avenger A0040CS (external link) or an Avenger A2030D Turtle Base (external link) help at all? Keeping in mind that shipping for these to Aus cost the same if not more than the lightstand its self so I would be looking at around $400 USD Shipped for them.

I've seen a number of photographers using the Avenger Turtle Bases on location

Or should I give up using softboxes outside in anything but dead still days and start looking towards using hard modifiers like the stock reflectors, maxi-lite and beauty dishes for location work unless I have assistants holding the softboxes and strobes for me?




  
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Dec 08, 2010 08:15 |  #2

I have 2 A0040CS's , they are built like tanks. Very strong, relatively heavy. Good for location as it has a 'lazy leg' also. Heavy enough to hold all modifiers in low-mid wind. Anything higher than low-mid wind and you'll still have stuff falling over.

There is no magic silver bullet for wind. Unless you tie stuff down. But it's a great stand. I only buy Avenger stands they are really great and ok on the wallet.

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Dec 08, 2010 10:40 |  #3

+1 on Avenger stands.

If you're looking for a conventional stand instead of a C-Stand and want something reasonably lightweight and portable, look at the A630B and A653B stands. Really well built, and the handles are great. You can get the stand locked down TIGHT, to where you can't physically rotate the center column even if you try.

As a side note, are you sure it's the stand that's rotating and not the ranger head on the baby pin?


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Dec 08, 2010 11:02 |  #4

I don't see how a stronger stand will alleviate the issue of the strobe and modifier rotating on the stand. The problem is the spigot where the strobe mounts to is round while the thumb screw is flat. This creates a very small surface area of adhesion. I too have ran into this issue and have tightened the thumbscrew to the point where it broke the mount on the strobe. To resolve this I had grind a flat spot on the spigot so that the contact area was greater and it holds in a brisk wind(guessing 20km/h gusts) now.




  
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Dec 08, 2010 11:57 |  #5

I don't understand why those spigots ar round.


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Dec 08, 2010 17:09 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #6

The new Avenger Spigots I got have a flat surface on 1 side, makes a huge difference. I too thought it was the stand rotating, but found it's due to the spigot and the head mount.


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Dec 08, 2010 19:20 |  #7

mumbles wrote in post #11415802 (external link)
I have 2 A0040CS's , they are built like tanks. Very strong, relatively heavy. Good for location as it has a 'lazy leg' also.

The Lazy leg could come in real handy for uneven terrain.

Sheldon N wrote in post #11416544 (external link)
+1 on Avenger stands.

If you're looking for a conventional stand instead of a C-Stand and want something reasonably lightweight and portable, look at the A630B and A653B stands. Really well built, and the handles are great. You can get the stand locked down TIGHT, to where you can't physically rotate the center column even if you try.

As a side note, are you sure it's the stand that's rotating and not the ranger head on the baby pin?

The Avenger A630B looks nice. I'm not to sure what I'm after though I have 5 conventional stands at the moment + a cheap boom so I'm thinking maybe turtle base C stand. I'm just not sure how much of pain it would be to carry it around on location. The C-Stand's look a lot easier to sand bag aswell.

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I don't see how a stronger stand will alleviate the issue of the strobe and modifier rotating on the stand. The problem is the spigot where the strobe mounts to is round while the thumb screw is flat. This creates a very small surface area of adhesion. I too have ran into this issue and have tightened the thumbscrew to the point where it broke the mount on the strobe. To resolve this I had grind a flat spot on the spigot so that the contact area was greater and it holds in a brisk wind(guessing 20km/h gusts) now.

That's the issue it's spinning around the spigot / top the center column of the stand and it doesn't look like the spigot is removable on the stand. I've tightened it as hard as I could to the point it's actually dented the top of the center column.

Any chance you would be able to take a picture of your spigot that you've ground?

TwoShoes wrote in post #11418760 (external link)
The new Avenger Spigots I got have a flat surface on 1 side, makes a huge difference. I too thought it was the stand rotating, but found it's due to the spigot and the head mount.

I've been looking at the Avenger Spigots and it has a lot more surface area for the head to mount to.




  
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Dec 08, 2010 19:28 as a reply to  @ sc0rp's post |  #8

I'm actually after the same thing, not until after Christmas for me though. The stands I have now are good for what they are, but I need something solid that I can rely on without and assistant and just heavily bagged.


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Dec 08, 2010 19:41 |  #9

The A0040CS is that stand. ^ i mean, i could throw it out a car at a high rate of speed, and not worry about it. The only concern i've ever had with these stands are that - if they were to fall, they could hurt someone if hit directly with it. They have that much mass. Granted unlikely, but still.

Regardless, they are much less likely to fall over. So i guess it minimizes this worry in some respects.




  
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Dec 08, 2010 22:01 |  #10

Is it available in black? We had to put black gaffers tape all over our chrome avenger boom stand to keep it from throwing weird reflections on the shiny subject we were shooting. If possible, I'll never buy a chrome stand again.


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Dec 09, 2010 06:39 |  #11

Mine is Chrome. I've never had any reflection issues. That's weird. I guess i don't understand what the problem could be, how are you getting reflections if the light source is shooting away from the stand? Even with multiple lights... i've never seen this.




  
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Dec 09, 2010 07:43 |  #12

mumbles wrote in post #11419478 (external link)
The A0040CS is that stand. ^ i mean, i could throw it out a car at a high rate of speed, and not worry about it.

Care to youtube that?

mumbles wrote in post #11421542 (external link)
Mine is Chrome. I've never had any reflection issues. That's weird. I guess i don't understand what the problem could be, how are you getting reflections if the light source is shooting away from the stand? Even with multiple lights... i've never seen this.

There really seems to be two camps when it comes to stand colors. Those that love the chrome due to the fact they won't scratch / chip as easy.. Then those that love the black as they don't reflect the light all over the place.




  
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Dec 09, 2010 07:48 |  #13

sc0rp wrote in post #11421682 (external link)
There really seems to be two camps when it comes to stand colors. Those that love the chrome due to the fact they won't scratch / chip as easy.. Then those that love the black as they don't reflect the light all over the place.

This is the first, in many years of shooting - i've ever heard that. Weird.




  
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Dec 09, 2010 08:19 |  #14

mumbles wrote in post #11421701 (external link)
This is the first, in many years of shooting - i've ever heard that. Weird.

Wouldn't reflection issue be more for product photographers if that got stands all around their shooting table?


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Dec 09, 2010 08:31 |  #15

bobbyz wrote in post #11421809 (external link)
Wouldn't reflection issue be more for product photographers if that got stands all around their shooting table?

Exactly. (sorry I didn't explain this better). We were shooting a chef preparing food on a dark granite counter top. The boom arm was high and behind the counter. The lights in front of the counter, would reflect off the boom arm and cause reflections on the counter top.

I'm probably making too big of a deal out of this. We've only had this problem once. But I thought I'd share anyway. :)


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