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Dec 15, 2010 22:18 |  #16

To those that have enjoyed the images and commented, thanks! :D

To those who might have shot these images slightly differently, but who managed to keep their comments professional and constructive, thanks as well. ;)

However...

DLitton wrote in post #11456533 (external link)
either see if you took a faster shot or go back if u can and shoot it again.

Seriously? Who the hell do you think you are? There's a big difference between offering constructive criticism and just spouting off like an arrogant windbag; telling someone to go shoot something again simply because they took a different approach than you would have places you firmly in the latter category. I'm fairly certain that you didn't commission me to shoot this waterfall, so if it's all the same to you I think I'll stick to capturing it the way that I wanted rather than the way you seem to think I should have.

I couldn't care less if you think the water is rendered in an "extreme" way. Take a look at the work of any famous landscape photographer and chances are you will find that at some time they have shot moving water in very much the same way as I have above. I guess you think you know better than Galen Rowell, David Muench, and Frans Lanting, just to name a few? Of course they also sometimes capture water in the way you are describing, as do I. In this particular instance I chose another route.

As it happens, I have numerous other exposures at a variety of different shutter speeds. I chose the ones I did for a variety of reasons, primarily because they were closest to the aesthetic that I was trying to create. I would have even been happy to share and discuss the merits of those other images and why I did not choose them, but I'm not going to waste my time having the discussion with someone who has such a juvenile attitude. Thinking that your way is the only way, or "the right way", is laughable; especially in a medium such as photography.

To be clear, I neither need nor desire your assistance in "correcting" my images.



  
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Dec 15, 2010 22:21 |  #17

joeleszc wrote in post #11449769 (external link)
Looks like a great location, can you share it with us?

Sure, Partridge Run Wildlife Management Area not far from Albany, NY.



  
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Dec 16, 2010 03:55 |  #18

they're nice shots




  
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Dec 16, 2010 07:19 |  #19

sodalis wrote in post #11460493 (external link)
Seriously? Who the hell do you think you are? There's a big difference between offering constructive criticism and just spouting off like an arrogant windbag; telling someone to go shoot something again simply because they took a different approach than you would have places you firmly in the latter category. I'm fairly certain that you didn't commission me to shoot this waterfall, so if it's all the same to you I think I'll stick to capturing it the way that I wanted rather than the way you seem to think I should have.

Wow, you really need to lighten up. If you had read the full critique, the poster started off by saying that the edited versions were better than the first set. He then merely suggested that you try a re-shoot (if the area is nearby, I would assume) at a faster shutter speed because he felt (and I agree) that the water is too blown out. That's all. No need to get your panties all bunched up. If you can't take a critique, then you should really give a second thought to posting images. There was nothing in that poster's critique that I would consider improper. If you feel that the image is 'perfect' in your eyes, that's all that really matters in the long run, so why post it then? Or are you simply looking for posts such as the two previous to this?

Hmm...I see that one of the previous two critiques has mysteriously disappeared :shock:


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Dec 16, 2010 08:34 |  #20

PacAce wrote in post #11453498 (external link)
Some people reading this thread, myself included, can really get confused when they see your images posted in post #1 and then read comments by disjecta and others and then wonder what the heck they're talking about. Just a suggestion but if you want to post an updated image, it might make more sense to embed it in a new post rather than updating the original. That way, you maintain the continuity of the discussion. :)

argyle wrote in post #11462044 (external link)
Wow, you really need to lighten up. If you had read the full critique, the poster started off by saying that the edited versions were better than the first set. He then merely suggested that you try a re-shoot (if the area is nearby, I would assume) at a faster shutter speed because he felt (and I agree) that the water is too blown out. That's all. No need to get your panties all bunched up. If you can't take a critique, then you should really give a second thought to posting images. There was nothing in that poster's critique that I would consider improper. If you feel that the image is 'perfect' in your eyes, that's all that really matters in the long run, so why post it then? Or are you simply looking for posts such as the two previous to this?

I have to agree with Leo & Argyle. It was confusing to me, too.


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Dec 16, 2010 13:50 |  #21

DLitton wrote in post #11456533 (external link)
dito...

they are much better... but they still look off in a few ways... i really feel that while the highlights are not as blown out you still had the shutter wayyy too long... and the water is just overdone. either see if you took a faster shot or go back if u can and shoot it again. i feel that there are extremes (shooting a waterfall handheld and getting stop motion on the water, and then this case) and they should usually try to be avoided unless aiming for them.

That was my thinking-that we are starting to go overboard w/ this slow shutter for moving water. It's getting too milky looking. Just the thoughts of a rank amateur. Rog


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Dec 16, 2010 14:46 |  #22

Critique is optional here. Unless a poster asks for critique it isn't required.

Sometimes we get into critique mode because we see what we see and the crew of observers are photographers. For the record last year I went through a complete mental collapse here concerning my art and the nature of critique. I feel the OP's pain and likewise recognize the critique here as stated. In my world the most difficult thing about photography is being honest with my self while holding my vision and direction. I rely on others here to kick up a storm so I can see what I missed.

IMO waterfalls are tricky for many reasons. Light and access are the two greatest factors. Getting a good composition with water with limited access is not all that easy. When it works it's magic but like the art of landscape itself when it doesn't work off to the trash bin.

Your work is yours. Enjoy it!




  
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Dec 16, 2010 20:37 |  #23

A bit too "Milky" for me, but looks like an awesome location and you have some great colors.


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Dec 16, 2010 21:25 |  #24

Wow so nice ! I love them all!


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