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Architectural Shooter - Trade Tammy 10-24 for 10-22, 8-16 or FF?

 
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Dec 17, 2010 21:22 |  #1

So I'm kindof at a crossroads. I'm concentrating on shooting architectural shots almost exclusively. I've had my Tamron 10-24mm for over a year now. I had a high profile building shoot coming up, so out of curiosity, I traded a friend my tammy lens for their Canon 10-22 to see if it was any sharper. I felt like it was a good deal sharper.

I shoot with a 50D, and for my architectural shooting, I primarily use my wide angle, be it the 10-24 tammy, TS-E 24mm L or 50 f/1.8. The wide angle gets probably 75% of the shot time, so I need it to be the sharpest in the lot.

Here's the dilemma: 1) Do I sell off the Tamron, buy the 10-22 Canon OR 2) do I get a Sigma 8-16mm, or do I 3) Wait until when I'm able to upgrade to a 5D mk2 and get a 16-35 or 17-40? Going as WIDE as possible is my objective, but I fear the distortion, even with post processing corrective measures. My last shoot has been very lucrative, so I'm almost in a position to get to any of those options. I plan on shooting professionally and more seriously from here on out.


These were with the 10-22:

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Dec 17, 2010 21:45 |  #2

I was very happy with the 10-22 when I had a 40D. More so than with the 17-40 on a 5D/5DII.

The low distortion of the 10-22 would be an asset in the type of use you would put it to.


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Dec 17, 2010 22:18 |  #3

FF/Tilt shift

5d classic/TS is what you want, instead of 5d2/1635 or whatever, unless you can afford both the 5d2 and TS at the same time. If architecture's you're main gig, that is


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Dec 17, 2010 22:19 as a reply to  @ bohdank's post |  #4

Consider the Tokina 11-16 2.8! My copy is super sharp and the 2.8 is great in the low light shots!


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Dec 18, 2010 07:16 |  #5

The 10-22 on my 40D performed better in the way of sharpness across the frame and lack of distortion than the 17-40 did on my 5Dc when I had it.

FF plus a wide angle TSE would be your best bet but it will require a significant investment on your part. With PP (distortion correction, some minor contrast/sharpness boosts) given to the 10-22 , you will only see incremental improvements with the FF/TSE combo. When you get to that level of quality, you pay through the nose for small increases in quality - law of diminishing returns.

Comes down to your budget - the 50D/10-22 combo is great and a lot of pro's use it or similar to great effect, but you will see some incremental improvements going the FF/TSE route. I do only a small amt of paid work, but mostly for my enjoyment and for me, the crop body plus 10-22 gave me more value for my money and flexibility with the features of a crop body than I got with the 5Dc.

If you do stick with the crop set-up, the 10-22 is the go-to lens in the UWA zoom category for me. Least flare, dont need 2.8 for what you do, least distortion, and very sharp.


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Dec 18, 2010 07:42 as a reply to  @ MNUplander's post |  #6

+1 on the FF and TSE if you're serious about pro architecture. Gives you the best sharpness corner to corner.




  
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Dec 18, 2010 08:41 as a reply to  @ TuanTime's post |  #7

It sounds like he does have a TS-E 24L, so moving to FF would make sense. If it's the mk1, then it'd make sense to upgrade either to the mark II or to the TS-E 17L. The TS-E 17L/24L mk II are bitingly sharp and have the movements an architecture photographer would desire.


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Dec 18, 2010 11:06 |  #8

Architective wrote in post #11472085 (external link)
Here's the dilemma: 1) Do I sell off the Tamron, buy the 10-22 Canon OR 2) do I get a Sigma 8-16mm, or do I 3) Wait until when I'm able to upgrade to a 5D mk2 and get a 16-35 or 17-40? Going as WIDE as possible is my objective, but I fear the distortion, even with post processing corrective measures.

This is a dilema, because even though options 1 and 3 will give you better quality pictures, neither one of them will give you a wider view than what you already have. Option 2 will give you a wider view, but will do it at the cost of more distortion.


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Dec 18, 2010 17:07 as a reply to  @ Mark-B's post |  #9

I'm glad that others understand my dilemma also. Do FF users go wider that 15-16mm or does it become a fisheye at that point? 17mm TS-E would be amazing, but at the same price as a 5D mk2 body, it's a tough sell, at least at first. What qualifies as a first class wide angle of choice for a FF? 16-35L? As you said above, aperture values don't really matter so much to me.




  
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Dec 18, 2010 17:34 |  #10

The Canon 10-22 is a better lens than the Tamron 10-24 in my opinion. I have done some testing with the Tamron 10-24 and Canon 10-22, and there is significantly better corner sharpness in the Canon at larger apertures.

I sold my Tamron 10-24 for $300, and I had originally planned to replace it with a Canon 10-22 but I decided I didn't absolutely need an ultra wide angle lens. Though if I needed such a lens, then I would have a 10-22 right now. Replacing your 10-24 with a Canon 10-22 is probably a good idea if you want a boost in IQ (in my opinion). Here's a link to some test pictures with these lenses on my Flickr page, there may be other tests out there, but this is what I got: 10-24 vs 10-22 (external link)
Note that at smaller apertures (around f/10 or smaller) the Tamron is about as sharp as the Canon is.

Another reason I didn't get the 10-22 was because I do wish to buy a 5DIII when it comes out, and for my ultra wide angle needs I'd probably go for either a TS-E 17mm f/4 or a 14mm f/2.8.

The 14mm prime is the widest rectilinear (non-fisheye) Canon lens and it costs about as much as the TS-E 17.

I really don't know which one of your three options alone I would pick alone, but if I were you I'd do one of two things:

1) Keep the Tamron 10-24 and save for a FF body and a UWA L-lens.

2) Replace the Tamron 10-24 with another UWA lens (the Canon is a good choice, but I know there are others out there including the Sigma you mentioned or a Tokina) and save for a FF body and a UWA L-lens.

So I'd say you should ultimately go FF either way, and then the dilemma would be what wide angle L lens should you get.
If I shot architecture all the time I'd probably go for the TS-E 17, but you may prefer to go with a the 14mm or 16-35mm since you already have a TS-E 24.


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Dec 18, 2010 18:18 |  #11

Architectural shooting is one of the few areas where I feel I actually need full frame, primarily because you don't get equivalent fields of view with the wide Tilt shift lenses. There's nothing out there that will give you the 17mm TS FOV on a cropper. This is the next lens I am really wanting. I would take the plunge into the FF world if you are serious into architectural shooting.


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Dec 18, 2010 18:21 |  #12

picturecrazy wrote in post #11475877 (external link)
Architectural shooting is one of the few areas where I feel I actually need full frame, primarily because you don't get equivalent fields of view with the wide Tilt shift lenses. There's nothing out there that will give you the 17mm TS FOV on a cropper. This is the next lens I am really wanting. I would take the plunge into the FF world if you are serious into architectural shooting.

Bingo, end thread.


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Dec 18, 2010 19:03 as a reply to  @ mikekelley's post |  #13

Agreed with everything that has been said so far. I think at this point I'm going to sell off the tamron in favor of the canon 10-22 and keep stashing for the FF. The good thing about most of this stuff is that you can pick up a used, good quality canon lens, use it for a few months, and sell it for $50-75 less than you paid for it. Non-Canon products, not so true... How long until the 5D mk3 is out?




  
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Dec 18, 2010 19:51 |  #14

Architective wrote in post #11475596 (external link)
What qualifies as a first class wide angle of choice for a FF? 16-35L? As you said above, aperture values don't really matter so much to me.

There are many lenses that are better than the 16-35L, at least when it comes to sharpness and with some also having less distortion. I believe Nikon 14-24 (with adapter), Zeiss 21mm, EF 14L, TS-E 17L and TS-E 24L II and 24L II are all considered being better than the 16-35.

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How long until the 5D mk3 is out?

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