Canon 7d vs. 5D Mark II

robtaylor22 wrote in post #11496852
The dilemma for Canon is that if they make the next 5D much better they will be cutting heavily into sales of their 1 series cameras, it's already happening with the Mark II where a lot of pro are using that camera for portraits and studio work. I would guess that Canon is repositioning the 1Ds, not sure what they are going to do but if it's not Earth shaking I think Canon will see a lot of Pros using the 5D Mk3 and passing on any and all 1 series camera.

If they give the 5D3 the 7D's AF - they will improve the 1D series to level the playing field. I imagine the future 1 series will have even better high ISO capability, an even more advanced AF, and faster FPS. Technology moves fast.

robtaylor22 wrote in post #11496852
The dilemma for Canon is that if they make the next 5D much better they will be cutting heavily into sales of their 1 series cameras, it's already happening with the Mark II where a lot of pro are using that camera for portraits and studio work. I would guess that Canon is repositioning the 1Ds, not sure what they are going to do but if it's not Earth shaking I think Canon will see a lot of Pros using the 5D Mk3 and passing on any and all 1 series camera.

What it really comes down to for Canon is whether they'd prefer that customers buy a 5D3 with lenses and batteries and flashes etc. -- or a D800. iPad sales seem to have cannibalized Macbook sales to an extent, but I'm sure Apple is delighted nonetheless.

hieu1004 wrote in post #11496871
If they give the 5D3 the 7D's AF - they will improve the 1D series to level the playing field. I imagine the future 1 series will have even better high ISO capability, an even more advanced AF, and faster FPS. Technology moves fast.

Sure, but who knows how advanced the 5D3's new features will be. In an increasingly competitive photographic world dollars count. Do you need to spend 7 to 8 grand on a body when 3 grand will get you the same or better picture quality? A lot of pros are already saying NO! I'm sure the 5D3 will have improved AF, maybe fast FPS (although this is not that important for Studio work, portraits, event, landscape and many other types of photography) and the trend for all cameras is better ISO performance, I'm sure the 5 Series won't be left behind in fact I'm sure the next %D will have a few special tricks. Movie features? I'm not sure how much movies are driving camera sales. Will " Better Build" more bells and whistles and a built in grip be enough to shell out $8,000?

Canon needs a game changer, not a next step in the next 1Ds.

anthony11 wrote in post #11497127
What it really comes down to for Canon is whether they'd prefer that customers buy a 5D3 with lenses and batteries and flashes etc. -- or a D800. iPad sales seem to have cannibalized Macbook sales to an extent, but I'm sure Apple is delighted nonetheless.

This is always the dilemma in announcing new products, you are eating your own children as we used to say, price elasticity was always an exercise and with Canon, maybe because of their deep product portfolio, 5DIII volume is limited thus they will extract max pricing. I hope they price not only against their own line up but with competition notably Nikon as you stated.

Ultimately, it comes down to your application. I've known pros who got into being pros because they had publications with fistfulls of money kicking down their door to license their XTi images for thousands of dollars. But I also know that a lot of clients really don't like having only a 10MP image. The camera won't make much difference to the pictures you take, it'll only expand or contract the possibilities for what you can do with them.

I'm going to switch to FF myself soon (either a 5D mkii or a 5D mki), but that's because I do a lot of ultrawide photography and I've decided that this lense will set me apart from the pack.

Lively discourse at times but once filtering all that out, there’s good information here for us newbies. I’d like to thank all you old salts for your wisdom and knowledge. I am the proud new owner of a 7D with kit lenses (1 month now) having graduated from a 300D. I'm taking lots of pics and fiddling with all the knobs and switches and thingies. Keep all the info coming….. Thanks.

robtaylor22 wrote in post #11496852
The dilemma for Canon is that if they make the next 5D much better they will be cutting heavily into sales of their 1 series cameras, it's already happening with the Mark II where a lot of pro are using that camera for portraits and studio work. I would guess that Canon is repositioning the 1Ds, not sure what they are going to do but if it's not Earth shaking I think Canon will see a lot of Pros using the 5D Mk3 and passing on any and all 1 series camera.

yeah and that's why rumors are speculating the 1ds being a medium format cam next. Makes sense honestly to merge the 1 series. A FF professional body that can shoot 10 fps... there will be a lot of people buying those and it will not be affected by the 5d.

Sorry if this has been covered, but can someone briefly explain to me the difference between the 7d AF and the 5Dii AF? What makes it better, and how does it affect your shooting? I ask because I am in a dilemma between getting Mark2 now, or waiting for the Mark3. I am a FF guy, and currently have and love my 5Di. I am trying to decide on several factors on whether to wait or buy now. Oh, and for what it's worth, I rarely ever use more than one AF point, so I am not sure the extra points in the 7d would help me. Would that have any effect on the overal AF system of the 2 bodies?

jakeg1999 wrote in post #11498292
Oh, and for what it's worth, I rarely ever use more than one AF point, so I am not sure the extra points in the 7d would help me. Would that have any effect on the overal AF system of the 2 bodies?

If that AF point that you DO use is just the center point, then the 5D2 is more than sufficient for your needs.

The 7D's AF is designed with more spread (so that you don't have to focus-recompose as much). This will help minimize shifting the plane of focus backwards/forwards and throw key elements (like the eyes or eye) out of focus when shooting at wide apertures due to the thin DoF.

The 7D's AF is also more "advanced" for tracking/sports. All 19-points are cross-type and supposedly more sensitive. You can change the modes to spot, single point, expansion, zone, etc... to cater to your shooting needs (for the event/situation).

Again, if you don't ever find yourself in such situations, then the 7D's AF is wasted. It would be similar to you currently shooting with a 1Ds3 and not use the extra AF advantage.

jakeg1999 wrote in post #11498292
Sorry if this has been covered, but can someone briefly explain to me the difference between the 7d AF and the 5Dii AF? What makes it better, and how does it affect your shooting? I ask because I am in a dilemma between getting Mark2 now, or waiting for the Mark3. I am a FF guy, and currently have and love my 5Di. I am trying to decide on several factors on whether to wait or buy now. Oh, and for what it's worth, I rarely ever use more than one AF point, so I am not sure the extra points in the 7d would help me. Would that have any effect on the overal AF system of the 2 bodies?

from what i and others have seen is when using the outer cross-type points in low light the 5d2's af isn't always great. When using center though it is great. So if you don't mind all the focus/recompose the 5d2 is for you. If you do any action sure the 5d2 can hold it's own but the 7D's AF is superior. Plus it has the advantage of having 8fps vs. 3.9. If you are use to a FF sensor it will be very difficult imo to go to a crop.

jwcdds wrote in post #11498317
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darn you. beat me to it.

jakeg1999 wrote in post #11498292
Sorry if this has been covered, but can someone briefly explain to me the difference between the 7d AF and the 5Dii AF? What makes it better, and how does it affect your shooting? I ask because I am in a dilemma between getting Mark2 now, or waiting for the Mark3. I am a FF guy, and currently have and love my 5Di. I am trying to decide on several factors on whether to wait or buy now. Oh, and for what it's worth, I rarely ever use more than one AF point, so I am not sure the extra points in the 7d would help me. Would that have any effect on the overal AF system of the 2 bodies?

The 7D AF is much better then 5DII 7D AF-system features 19 cross-type sensors vs cente point cross-type on Mark II , and is highly customizable. You can even specify a different AF-point selection mode and selected point (or zone) that the camera should jump to, depending on its orientation (Landscape, Portrait grip up, Portrait grip down).
It's very advanced, but I think without any hesitation 5dMarkII is the right camera for you if you are a full frame guy and don't shoot a lots of sports.

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #11497842
yeah and that's why rumors are speculating the 1ds being a medium format cam next. Makes sense honestly to merge the 1 series. A FF professional body that can shoot 10 fps... there will be a lot of people buying those and it will not be affected by the 5d.

We'll have to see, we're all in the area of speculation. The only thing I am convinced of is that Canon has to break some new ground. A medium format camera might do that, so could a 31MP that shoots 10 FPS with crazy high levels of ISO performance, duel Digic 5s with a built in coffee maker. We just don't know yet and I'm not sure how long it will be before we do, I'm guessing late 2011 (second half) or early 2012 (first half), but not early 2011. But again we're back to guessing.

robtaylor22 wrote in post #11498440
We'll have to see, we're all in the area of speculation. The only thing I am convinced of is that Canon has to break some new ground. A medium format camera might do that, so could a 31MP that shoots 10 FPS with crazy high levels of ISO performance, duel Digic 5s with a built in coffee maker. We just don't know yet and I'm not sure how long it will be before we do, I'm guessing late 2011 (second half) or early 2012 (first half), but not early 2011. But again we're back to guessing.

I can't wait for a camera to have processors that fight each other!

On a side note, hoping for medium format from Canon is kinda nutz... none of the EF lenses would work, then we would need to work about EF, EF-S, and whatever new medium format mount? F that!

themadman wrote in post #11498568
I can't wait for a camera to have processors that fight each other!

On a side note, hoping for medium format from Canon is kinda nutz... none of the EF lenses would work, then we would need to work about EF, EF-S, and whatever new medium format mount? F that!

Would a square sensor count as medium format?