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1D mark IV vs 5D mark II (high ISO)

 
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Jun 06, 2010 18:43 |  #46

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The MKIV isn't "leaps and bounds better" than the 5DMKII when it comes to high ISO noise!

That's been my experience. At this point I would say it's a hair better overall but it is very close. In fact, of the bodies I have shot, the 5D2, D700, and 1D4 are all so close that I don't think there is a clear winner. The last pro Nikon body I shot was the D2x but my understanding is the D3 is similar in noise performance to the D3.


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Jun 08, 2010 12:31 |  #47

1d4 is very nice. can't wait to see if the 1ds4 will have similar per pixel performance.


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Dec 31, 2010 02:07 |  #48

Looks like it's time to trade the little 550D and 1D mark III for a 1D mark IV. It seems like everything I didn't like about the 5D mark II was pretty much fixed on the 1D mark IV.


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Jan 01, 2011 02:30 |  #49

Chosenbydestiny wrote in post #11545824 (external link)
Looks like it's time to trade the little 550D and 1D mark III for a 1D mark IV. It seems like everything I didn't like about the 5D mark II was pretty much fixed on the 1D mark IV.

Except you don't have the ff AOV. I guess it don't matter if you don't shoot wide.


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Jan 01, 2011 10:09 |  #50

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Except you don't have the ff AOV. I guess it don't matter if you don't shoot wide.

Not to hijack, but how different is the aov if you use a siggy or tokina 12-24? I have been wanting to tradee up to a mk iv, but have been worried about losing the wide end. I have looked, but does anyone have a pic from 5d at 16 or 17 and a pic from the mk iv at 12-14? I am wondering if the pros will out wiegh the 1.3. I shoot everything about equally so I shoot landscape as much as bif, wildlife. Don't do much portraits, but I do like to do candids. Thanks for any info and sorry for the hyjack


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Jan 01, 2011 10:46 |  #51

12mm on a 1D would have an equivalent FOV as a 15.6mm on a FF.


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Jan 01, 2011 11:01 |  #52

bohdank wrote in post #11552294 (external link)
12mm on a 1D would have an equivalent FOV as a 15.6mm on a FF.

I got that, but does it have a similar view as the ff. I have seen comparison shots between the ff and 1.6, but not the 1.3. Thanks, richard


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Jan 01, 2011 11:10 |  #53

I don't understand your question.


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Jan 01, 2011 11:19 |  #54

bohdank wrote in post #11552425 (external link)
I don't understand your question.

Sorry, what I meant was... is the fov similar between the bodies with compable focal lenghts? I have photos of 10-22 on a 1.6 and a 17-40 on a ff and it still has the ff wideness , but I haven't seen photos from a 12-24 or similar lens on a 1d. Hope that helps


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Jan 01, 2011 12:33 |  #55

skater911 wrote in post #11552480 (external link)
Sorry, what I meant was... is the fov similar between the bodies with compable focal lenghts? I have photos of 10-22 on a 1.6 and a 17-40 on a ff and it still has the ff wideness , but I haven't seen photos from a 12-24 or similar lens on a 1d. Hope that helps

The field of view will be 100% the same on any of these cameras if the appropriate focal length or focusing distance for the crop factor is used. What may change is the perspective - https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=672913


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Jan 01, 2011 13:29 |  #56

nicksan wrote in post #10311783 (external link)
The MKIV isn't "leaps and bounds better" than the 5DMKII when it comes to high ISO noise!


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its better at 12000 no doubt about that...but how often do you need to shoot at 12000 ?????

again, its all what you shoot and what you need. Both are killer compared to what we had just 4 years ago.

heres the thing, if you dont need the AF speed..you can buy 2 5dmkII's for the price of one 1DmkIV. Thats huge. But Guess what, We are thinking of selling the 7D and 40D and making the jump. The ability to have clean images at 6400 is Awesome and as everyone all knows, The Af on a 1D series kills a 5D series. Would be nice to have the ability if you need it. We were in a church this weekend,,,AV mode with a 135L,,3200 iso and we we wanted f/2.8. Results were 1/20 for the ambient we had and we were 1/3 underexposed w/o a flash. Pretty much sucked and had to kick it up and use a monopad to get the shots. So its nice to have the ability and be able to clean up in post and use 6400--12000 if needed. 1DmkIV is looking tempting. The shots ive seen at 12000 are dam impressive. You could shoot at 1600 with a flash and probably not have to change batteries all day long:p(just kidding).


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Jan 01, 2011 15:15 |  #57

Mike,

Did you try to shoot the 5D2 at ISO 6400? Since it is about 1 stop better than the 7D, you could shoot the 5D2 at 6400 and mirror the 7D (not DOF obviously) where it was shot at 3200.

Here is a quick sample of 12800 at 1/60th in Av mode, not sure if it matches the settings you were shooting, I assume it was close. I resized this image to a 11x14 print at 280 dpi, then took a 100% crop for this example. Some noise reduction of course, but respectable, I think. Thoughts?


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Jan 01, 2011 15:19 |  #58

Here is a sample wedding shot at ISO 6400 on the 7D that came out well too.

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Jan 01, 2011 15:44 |  #59

I still find it hard to crank up the ISOs above 3200, but I have not been shooting much this winter. Using a 1D2 I was reluctant to use 1600.


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Jan 01, 2011 16:40 as a reply to  @ Tapeman's post |  #60

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I would say Very usable 6400 iso files from what you posted. How much or did you have to clean them? To be honest, Im also very reluctant to crank it past 3200 unless i absolutly have to. Probably more of a mental block than anything else, but we did this weekend. Im going through stuff now but the files @6400 were on the 5dII. My wife uses the 7D and she sets it where i Suggest. My problem lies where i dont have the opportunity to put a flash on the camera with the higher iso settings. Ill shoot the 7d all day long at 3200 iso, especially when i can get a flash into the mix. But the ceremony yesterday was a catholic wedding, no flash during the ceremony. So on the 7d we put it in av mode, plus 2/3, and fired away. I was afraid to push it any further,,again probably a mental block on my part. Not so with the 5dII. Files at 4000 iso, with the 70-200, were very very usable I would think that the 1DmkIV could shoot w/o a flash @6400 all day long and ive been told 8000 (think thats right) is also clean. Need to get my hands on one or im hoping one of the guys that has one can post some examples. I really like what im reading and seeing. I probably should have handed my wife the 5dII and experimented with the 7d a bit, but i just didnt think of it.


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