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What is a good wireless flash controller for rebel xsi & 430EXII

 
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Jan 05, 2011 06:13 as a reply to  @ post 11574406 |  #16

Those cheapies- well if they work- are great.. But quality control is not something you are paying for.. and they don't make using the flash easy because everything you are doing is basically in manual mode.. Good for a studio type environment where lighting is pretty constant- not good for on the fly in a changing environment.

Starting out- I'd go with either a 580EXII - I know $$$, but it does wireless, and gives you a second strobe for more creative lighting anyways- and is not wasted if you upgrade your body to something with built in wireless flash. The ST-E2 is a good option- compact- cheaper than a 580exII, provides you the ETTL system, ratios, and ability to control 2 groups of flash... It does use some odd and expensive batteries- not rechargeable- I think locally the batteries for it are about $10 a shot..

I had the cheapies on a few sets here (strobes and flashes) at the house.. Sometimes they worked.. Sometimes they didn't.. Very flakey. Went with the 580's and the ST-E2 (sometimes one and sometimes the other) - and was much happier. It's cheaper. Lightweight. Portable. Uses the system already built into the canon's for flash, etc.. Staying with the canon's ETTL- you generally get better results quicker- you let it choose, look at the photo and histograms, and adjust fire from there using FEC. Shooting manual just takes a little longer and a little more practice..

I haven't seen it yet- but how exactly are you planning to use your flash off camera ? Inside in a controlled environment. Inside in an uncontrolled environment. Outside ? If you are ok with manual - inside- you might also be able to get by with Optical slaves triggered off from your onboard- provided you disable your preflash..


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Jan 05, 2011 06:39 |  #17

wayne.robbins wrote in post #11577041 (external link)
Those cheapies- well if they work- are great.. But quality control is not something you are paying for.. and they don't make using the flash easy because everything you are doing is basically in manual mode.. Good for a studio type environment where lighting is pretty constant- not good for on the fly in a changing environment.

Starting out- I'd go with either a 580EXII - I know $$$, but it does wireless, and gives you a second strobe for more creative lighting anyways- and is not wasted if you upgrade your body to something with built in wireless flash. The ST-E2 is a good option- compact- cheaper than a 580exII, provides you the ETTL system, ratios, and ability to control 2 groups of flash... It does use some odd and expensive batteries- not rechargeable- I think locally the batteries for it are about $10 a shot..

I had the cheapies on a few sets here (strobes and flashes) at the house.. Sometimes they worked.. Sometimes they didn't.. Very flakey. Went with the 580's and the ST-E2 (sometimes one and sometimes the other) - and was much happier. It's cheaper. Lightweight. Portable. Uses the system already built into the canon's for flash, etc.. Staying with the canon's ETTL- you generally get better results quicker- you let it choose, look at the photo and histograms, and adjust fire from there using FEC. Shooting manual just takes a little longer and a little more practice..

I haven't seen it yet- but how exactly are you planning to use your flash off camera ? Inside in a controlled environment. Inside in an uncontrolled environment. Outside ? If you are ok with manual - inside- you might also be able to get by with Optical slaves triggered off from your onboard- provided you disable your preflash..

+1... I went out and bought a set of cactus V2s to use on my 580II. 3 months later (last week) I went and took it on the nose with a second 580II. Bought new for $400 CAD. No regrets.




  
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Jan 05, 2011 13:16 as a reply to  @ wayne.robbins's post |  #18

As far as the reliablility of radio triggers goes: Make sure you get 2.4ghz ones (e.g. RF602s, not the Cactus triggers).

Yes, it's all-manual compared to Canon's system, BUT Canon's wireless flash system works less reliable than radio triggers when used outdoors (you must not block the line-of-sight between the camera and the flashes). Indoors it's not that much of a problem because the light can bounce off walls etc.

I don't mind the all-manual part since the Canon system didn't give me spot-on results either when I tried it. It needed FEC in ETTL-Mode (60D Master + 430EXII) to get the exposure correct.

I wish Canon would build their own 2.4ghz-based system, integrated into their cameras and flashes. The optical system is just so 80s... ;)


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Jan 05, 2011 13:26 |  #19

Kikkoman wrote in post #11572053 (external link)
Thanks everyone for the tips! I do plan on getting the one you recommended me now! Problem is I'm still learning my flash and it is very confusing to learn honestly! The manual mode I'm trying to learn but I'm not even sure what settings to use for what since I got my external flash on xmas.

Problem with photography is it its one off the most expensive hobbies ever!

Since you're gonna go completely manual with your flash, you might want to think about a handheld meter too ....




  
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Jan 05, 2011 13:45 |  #20

I didn't know it was that complicated honestly. As you can tell I'm still an amateur in photography and I can't get enough of it. I figured I would get it with a qbox if I was going to do on the fly photography.

Problem with the 580 is of already got the 430ex for xmas so it would be a hassle to get a new external flash. Hmm well after I get the new lens I want which I'm also still deciding then I plan on getting more into more varieties of photography.




  
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Jan 05, 2011 13:49 |  #21

Kikkoman wrote in post #11579151 (external link)
Problem with the 580 is of already got the 430ex for xmas so it would be a hassle to get a new external flash. Hmm well after I get the new lens I want which I'm also still deciding then I plan on getting more into more varieties of photography.

Hassle?!? Oh, you'll learn! ;) You can never have too many flashes.


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Jan 05, 2011 13:51 |  #22

A lot of folks recommend the RF-602's. They seem to be pretty reliable and on the lower end of the budget chain. I haven;t used them so I can't say one way or another.
I have used the EL Skyports and the Cybersyncs made by Paul C Buff. If you are after thousands of reliable shots at a reasonable price with good reliability, either the Skyports or the Cybersync's will do the job for you.

Note: The only function os the RF-602's, Skyports or the Cybrsyncs is to send a signal to the speedlight or strobe to fire. I have used the Skyports to trigger a remote camera and they work just fine even in burst mode. I did find out the Cybersyncs only trigger the remote camera to fire one shot. That was a big disappointment for me.

Skyports are available here (external link). You need transmitter for the camera and a receiver for each speedlight or strobe.

Cybersync's are available here (external link). You need a CST transmitter for the camera and a CSRB receiver for each speedlight or strobe.

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2) CSRB attached to a 580 EX II mounted half court in a gym. (external link)


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Jan 05, 2011 14:01 as a reply to  @ MT Stringer's post |  #23

Yongnuo RF-602 +1

For me works both indoors and outdoors. Haven't had a single misfired shot


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Jan 06, 2011 13:29 |  #24

Yongnuo RF-602 +1




  
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