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model release / model's ID question

 
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Dec 14, 2010 08:34 |  #1

Are you keeping a copy of your model's ID with his/her release? Is anybody worried about the liability incured from having a copy of the model's ID? I realize that most well written releases cover this issue & grant you permission to store acesss & use this info for the stated purposes. Do you take any special precautions to secure this data? Digitize & Encrypt? Keep hard copies under lock & key, etc.?


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Dec 14, 2010 11:49 |  #2

What exactly are you worried about? Don't you have physical control over your images and legal paperwork? Have you asked a qualified professional such as a lawyer or insurance agent about your state requirements?

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Dec 14, 2010 12:54 |  #3

sspellman wrote in post #11451022 (external link)
Have you asked a qualified professional such as a lawyer or insurance agent about your state requirements?

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no, not yet but that might be a good idea. Not so much worried, just trying to be proactive and I was wondering if anyone goes the extra step of not keeping the hard copy. As far as physical control, my studio is in an artist's co-operative. 14' high ceilings with 8' high walls dividing the space into studios LOL. I know there would never be a problem with another artist, but if anyone were ever to break-in that might be another issue. Let's put it this way, I don't leave any cameras or glass there when I'm not there & the other stuff: strobes, stands, PW's, etc are insured...


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Dec 14, 2010 13:44 |  #4

Tony_A wrote in post #11449879 (external link)
Are you keeping a copy of your model's ID with his/her release? Is anybody worried about the liability incured from having a copy of the model's ID? I realize that most well written releases cover this issue & grant you permission to store acesss & use this info for the stated purposes. Do you take any special precautions to secure this data? Digitize & Encrypt? Keep hard copies under lock & key, etc.?

No, I don't maintain client identification information. The risk of a model claiming the signature is bogus is far less than the liabilities and precautions of storing customer ID information. I don't store anything more than contact information.


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Jan 06, 2011 10:45 |  #5

This is an interesting topic, and i think alot of us photogs dont bother to inform ourself about these issues.
I have to be honest, ive worked wtih models that i havent gotten a release from them, mainly amatuer models, but i agree that a model release should always be used especailly when shooting glam/nudes


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Jan 06, 2011 17:30 |  #6

I think that a release is a given, even if you don't need it for how you use the photos, it doesn't hurt to have it just in case. But the OP question was about keeping hard-copies.

Since the release needs to be signed, It would need to be digitized if you don't want to keep the hard copy - but I don't think there is so much personal info in a release that you would need to worry about liability. As for the model's ID - the best idea I saw for dealing with this was here in the G&N forum. I had never thought abut it but, it seems to be sort of common to have the model hold up their ID for the first shot in a session. This gives you proof if there are ever questions but also doesn't require making a copy some other way - also avoids having a hard copy of personal information.


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Jan 06, 2011 17:40 |  #7

In a topic touching on this subject a while back, the question was asked: Has anyone ever actually heard of a case in which a photographer was sued over non-pornographic pictures (explicit sexual activity) on the basis that the model who signed the release was not of legal age? I've been doing this stuff for nearly 40 years and I've never heard of a necessity to keep copies of identifications. US federal law only requires that for images of explicit sexual activity.

As a practical matter, a young teenager is not going to have a false "18-year-old" ID. If she's going to have a false ID at all, it's going to say 21. And decent false IDs aren't easy to get. You're a photographer and skilled in visual observation--you should be able to tell that she's got her older sister's ID.


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Jan 07, 2011 10:58 |  #8

I always take a pic of the ID. It's far easier to keep a digital copy than to deal with storing extra paperwork. I don't take any extra precautions to secure the personal info. I store the ID's on the same disks as my RAW files and protect them the same way as I do all my other files.

Now, I've had someone steal one of my cameras on a shoot once that had copies of various models IDs on it. But, nothing I could do about that. The thief is usually more interested in the camera as opposed to what's on the camera anyways. I say just do the best you can and don't worry yourself over what you can't control.




  
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Jan 07, 2011 12:39 |  #9

I keep a digital copy of the ID on file in a database with the details of the shoot, the release, and the model contact information. I do this for any shoot where the model signs a release. I'm not worried about it as the file is secure and I certainly have no nefarious plans for using the information. It's simply part of doing business.


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Feb 02, 2011 09:49 |  #10

Tony_A wrote in post #11449879 (external link)
Do you take any special precautions to secure this data? Digitize & Encrypt? Keep hard copies under lock & key, etc.?

Simple. When making a zerox copy or a scan of a model's ID, license, passport, etc. just mask out serial numbers with black tape. Keep dob, name, photo but blank out other info. Also, if storing on computer, use PS to blank out all numbers, save, but securely delete orig file with 7 passes.
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