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Jan 08, 2011 11:28 |  #31

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Ok so with all that said... now the question is 17-55 or 35L. I think I'm willing to spend an extra 300 to get some nice results. Keeping in mind its on a crop...but shouldn't matter too much eh?

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What would be better on a 1.6 crop, 24L or 35L

I'd say the 30mm range personally. On crop its a more traditional perspective and with more zoom comes more image compression (which is a good thing).


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Jan 08, 2011 11:36 |  #32

chugger93 wrote in post #11598508 (external link)
What would be better on a 1.6 crop, 24L or 35L

Sigma 30mm f/1.4.




  
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Jan 08, 2011 13:43 |  #33

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+1 (BS) 16-35 is another world - it's not the body IT's the LENS

IQ wise on a crop, it is not in another world. Why spend 40% more on the 16-35 just to stick on a crop exactly? You end up using the center of the optics and lose all the edge to edge sharpness you pay for, you lose 20mm and you don't have IS for low light situations. For a crop body, the 17-55 IS is the proper choice, even on the 7D which could show defects in glass, it works beautifully wide open.


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Jan 08, 2011 14:14 |  #34

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IQ wise on a crop, it is not in another world. Why spend 40% more on the 16-35 just to stick on a crop exactly? You end up using the center of the optics and lose all the edge to edge sharpness you pay for, you lose 20mm and you don't have IS for low light situations. For a crop body, the 17-55 IS is the proper choice, even on the 7D which could show defects in glass, it works beautifully wide open.

So you would believe that a 24L or 35L is somewhat a waste on a crop ?


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Jan 08, 2011 14:19 |  #35

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So you would believe that a 24L or 35L is somewhat a waste on a crop ?

You won't be using the edges of the glass, just the center portion that projects on the sensor. Are there any other fast primes like these that have great center optics, but less than stellar outer optics? If so, then there would be reason to consider what you could do with any cost savings going to a different lens. If there are no other prime equivalents, then no, the Ls would be the choice.

Is your goal to have a collection of L glass, or the best value for the money for the entire system you are putting together, lenses and crop body, so that the recipients of your photos are very happy with what they get? :)

I know many people that go out and spend a ton of money on top-end sports cars, then refuse to race that car or even speed over 10mph, they slow down in the cloverleafs, etc. They bought the car because it makes them feel good, they think it makes them look good, but they never really use that car for the potentials they just paid for. They are not wrong, it is just a different way of looking at things.


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Jan 08, 2011 14:29 |  #36

Get the 17-55mm + Sigma 30mm for the price of a 35L. If I wasn't setting up for FF - I'd still have those two in my bag - they are excellent glass.


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Jan 08, 2011 14:41 |  #37

Here is an example, folks ask what telephoto lens they should get, many pipe in and say the 70-200 f4L. Sure, it is one of the most favorite L lenses in Canon's lineup, and is very, very sharp, and is nearly the least expensive L you can get.

However if you don't need a constant f4, you have decent light you will be shooting in, and you would like a bit more range with IS, and could save over $300, why not consider the 55-250 IS? Again depends on the needs and the equipment you will be using, having a crop certainly gives you more options. :)

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Jan 08, 2011 15:08 |  #38

chugger93 wrote in post #11599373 (external link)
So you would believe that a 24L or 35L is somewhat a waste on a crop ?

Read this post again - https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=11593619&po​stcount=14




  
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Jan 08, 2011 15:20 |  #39

17-55 sounds like the way to go then for now. Then maybe sigma 30. I still don't get why if sigma 30 has so many focusing issues, why doesn't sigma address the issue?


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Jan 08, 2011 15:22 |  #40

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17-55 sounds like the way to go then for now. Then maybe sigma 30. I still don't get why if sigma 30 has so many focusing issues, why doesn't sigma address the issue?

I cannot answer the Sigma issue, I had to send my 50mm in personally. Look on the used boards here and FM, etc, find a 17-55 from an established member for around $800-850, and try it out. If you don't like it after a few weeks, sell it for maybe a loss of just the shipping.


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Jan 08, 2011 15:25 |  #41

I have the 17-55 and think it is a great indoor/outdoor walk around lens. I think that the extra distance with the 17-55 would come in handy.


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Jan 08, 2011 15:29 |  #42

Heresy on a Canon forum, but take a good look at getting the Sigma 17-50 f2.8 EX OS HSM and the Sigma 30 F1.4 EX HSM. Huge bang for buck and top-grade IQ.




  
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Jan 08, 2011 15:34 |  #43

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Heresy on a Canon forum, but take a good look at getting the Sigma 17-50 f2.8 EX OS HSM and the Sigma 30 F1.4 EX HSM. Huge bang for buck and top-grade IQ.

I haven't had an opportunity to try out their latest lens, it sounds like a winner, and I still want to try a 30mm on the 7D. I like the 50mm though. I paid $725 for my 17-55 due to the scratches on the outer element (that don't affect IQ), so I am pretty happy to hold onto it unless I find a Sigma that somebody dumps cheap. :)


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Jan 08, 2011 15:48 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #44

Primes can be great, but they are not really walk-around lenses for me. And if you are on a crop and have access to IS at 24-35mm, then the two-stop light advantage of the primes really becomes just a depth of field advantage unless you are shooting fast-moving subjects. So it really depends on what you shoot -- do you need fast shutter speed at those focal lengths, e.g., because you shoot sports or fast-moving subjects at night? Then the 24/30/35 F/1.4 prime is the way to go. Otherwise, get the 17-55 and you won't be sorry.


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Jan 08, 2011 16:42 |  #45

When I had a 40D, I really liked both the 24L (Mark I) and the ZE 35. I'd say that both focal lengths are different enough to have both a 24mm and a 35mm, but this really comes down to personal preference of course.

At first I had a 24-105, but I found out that I prefer primes. You have both zooms and primes, what do you think for yourself? If you constantly find yourself wishing for a prime when you shoot wider than your 50mm, I'd go with a prime. If you're happy with using zooms, get something like a 15-85 or a 17-55.

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