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Jan 08, 2011 18:04 |  #1

I'm in need of a single or a pair of speedlites that will always wake when using my RF-602 system. At the moment I have 5 speedlites (2 x 540EZ, 1 x 420EX, 1 x Zeikos 680EX and a really old Chinon 360-s) that I've been using for off camera flash. All of them except the Zeikos will wake and start working perfectly when the shutter button is depressed half way. The Zeikos is a fairly powerful speedlite and it has some nice features, but this one issue casues me problems when I'm shooting basketball and there are moments when the action happens at the other end of the court for a while or there is a time out and the flash goes to sleep. Halfway depressing the shutter button wakes the other speedlites (2 x 540EZ's and the 420EX) immediately. So to wake it I have to go over to the unit, lower the stand and turn it off and then back on again and reset everything. A real pain.

So I would like to either get a pair of the same speedlites that have full manual control, or another 420EX. My preference would be for the a new pair of manual control units. But they have to be able to be waken via the RF-602 system and still have a bit of power. The Yong Nuo flashes are pretty cheap and easily available. Do they wake with the RF-602?

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Jan 08, 2011 22:32 |  #2

Man if you shooting sports stick a pixel pack and be done with it. Never needed sleep on any of my flashes. I would pck used 640ex for that reason alone as you can use them with external pack.


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Jan 08, 2011 22:55 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #3

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Jan 09, 2011 04:38 |  #4

ChasWG wrote in post #11600631 (external link)
The Yong Nuo flashes are pretty cheap and easily available. Do they wake with the RF-602?

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The 602 wake the Yongnuo flashes just fine.


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Jan 09, 2011 12:37 |  #5

bobbyz wrote in post #11601965 (external link)
Man if you shooting sports stick a pixel pack and be done with it. Never needed sleep on any of my flashes. I would pck used 640ex for that reason alone as you can use them with external pack.

I'm sorry Bobby, I think I understand the English language pretty well, but what the heck are you saying here?


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Jan 09, 2011 13:19 |  #6

ChasWG wrote in post #11604661 (external link)
I'm sorry Bobby, I think I understand the English language pretty well, but what the heck are you saying here?

Sorry bunch of typos on my part.

What I am saying is that you got 540ez which had dedicated switch so that your flash doesn't go to sleep. It also has a port to attach external pack. So get $50-$70 pixel pack and attach to it and stop worrying about running down batteries during the game. External pack also helps with faster recycling.


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Jan 09, 2011 15:39 |  #7

bobbyz wrote in post #11604860 (external link)
Sorry bunch of typos on my part.

What I am saying is that you got 540ez which had dedicated switch so that your flash doesn't go to sleep. It also has a port to attach external pack. So get $50-$70 pixel pack and attach to it and stop worrying about running down batteries during the game. External pack also helps with faster recycling.

OK, I understand now. Good idea with the external battery packs. I have an idea about that issue that will use a single SLA, but run two speedlites for many pops.
My issue isn't with the 540EZ's or the 420EX, they always wake up perfectly. The issue is with my Zeikos. It never wakes when I have it in off camera mode. On camera it's fine. I was just looking for a pair (probably) of cheaper speedlites that don't have the same issue as the Zeikos 680EX does.


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Jan 09, 2011 22:41 |  #8

Or you can do what I do and set the custom function that tells your flash never to go to sleep. Then you never have to wake it up. : )


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Jan 09, 2011 23:27 |  #9

Don't bother with SLA, it's messy IMHO. PixelHK power packs work great, put in some Eneloop batteries (external link) and a good Maha 801D (external link) charger and you'll be good.

btw I have my 550, 580, and SB900s set to never turn themselves off, or at least make it a really long time. If your flashes don't do that just hit the test button occasionally to keep them awake. It'd annoying, but it works.


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Jan 10, 2011 11:44 |  #10

Yeah, the Zeikos loves to go to sleep quickly and it has no setting for non-sleep. The other three speedlites in my set-up are Canon (2 x 540EZ and a 420EX) and they always wake perfectly. I was just hoping to get a pair of cheap, non-sleepy or wake-able, power adjustable, speedlites to replace the Zeikos and 420EX. That or find a really (really!) cheap 420EX to make both sides of the gym I'm strobing equal.

Thanks for the tips Tim, I'll look into the battery packs with rechargables. But having to continue and get up during a basketball game, lower the 10ft stands down to a level I can work on it, reset the strobe and then reposition the light is a serious pain. That means I'm not shooting and missing the action as well as getting in the way of people watching the game and drawing attention to myself. All of which is not good.


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Jan 10, 2011 11:52 |  #11

Chas, like Tim said, why don't you just press the test button on your transmitter to do a flash after time X where X is lower than the sleep time of your flash. That should wake up your flash and no need to lower stands and adjust anything. I would like to my life easier even if it cost me some more money.

I am assuming here that the other end flashes are a different channel but all you got to do is flip to that ch once in a while and fire a test shot and revert back to original. Shouldn't take more than 10 seconds, IMHO.


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Jan 10, 2011 12:05 |  #12

bobbyz wrote in post #11611070 (external link)
Chas, like Tim said, why don't you just press the test button on your transmitter to do a flash after time X where X is lower than the sleep time of your flash. That should wake up your flash and no need to lower stands and adjust anything. I would like to my life easier even if it cost me some more money.

I am assuming here that the other end flashes are a different channel but all you got to do is flip to that ch once in a while and fire a test shot and revert back to original. Shouldn't take more than 10 seconds, IMHO.

Nope, once this stupid flash goes to sleepy mode, nothing but physically turning it off and then back on will wake it while using the RF-602s. When mounted to the camera it wakes perfectly, but that's not what I'm doing.

I'm using these two sets of speedlites as married pairs to create a super speedlite. That is bounced off the back wall of a MS gym for basketball games.

They look something like this:
A 540EZ with a 420EX on top.

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4278784297_4e48603a87_z.jpg

or this:
The Zeikos flash is pictured here with an older Chinon 360-s flash unit mounted to the top of the Zeikos.
IMAGE: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2750/4279529398_90e90f6355_z.jpg

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Jan 10, 2011 13:11 |  #13

Got it.


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