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Does L-Glass Lens Really Matter When Your Shooting Video Can I Get Away Way Cheapies

 
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Jan 27, 2011 03:42 as a reply to  @ post 11723251 |  #16

If you want the same image quality on a video camera as the one you get with a 5D2, it will be both a lot more expensive, and a lot bigger (with all the inconvenients that come with size).
Nowadays more and more low budget movies and such are filmed with 5D2s :)
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Jan 27, 2011 03:46 |  #17

I would have bought a Zeiss CP2 for that much!


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Jan 27, 2011 03:47 |  #18

but if you are unsatisfied with your L lenses, I'll gladly take them off your hands ;)


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Jan 27, 2011 03:49 |  #19

JustinRageth wrote in post #11723251 (external link)
No idea... but I would think that for 8 grand you could get a decent video camera...but I may be wrong, that isnt my thing

Well the problem with video cameras is the "Hollywood tax". If you want a good, interchangeable lens digital video camera, start here:
- http://www.red.com …t/red-one-s35-mysterium-x (external link) ($25k)
- add viewfinder and/or LCD, not to mention the overpriced cable, http://www.red.com/sto​re/displays (external link) (~$3k)
- now you've got lenses to go, http://www.red.com …/red-pro-prime-50mm-t18-i (external link) (>$4k for a 50mm T/1.8)
- and on, and on, and on...

Or go for the Sony instead, but that isn't going to be any cheaper I'd say.

Re-mortgaging your house to afford a video camera isn't my sort of thing. They're certainly nicer to use for video than a 5D2 or 7D, but obviously a hell of a lot more expensive too.




  
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Jan 27, 2011 04:41 |  #20

Well what Im saying is it that much drastic difference in video quality to justify paying high prices for L-Glass ? Like the 50mm 1.8 cost $90 vs the 50mm 1.2 L cost $1200. Thats all Im saying. Can I get away with good quality if I went the cheap lens route ?




  
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Jan 27, 2011 06:15 |  #21

produce12 wrote in post #11723522 (external link)
Well what Im saying is it that much drastic difference in video quality to justify paying high prices for L-Glass ? Like the 50mm 1.8 cost $90 vs the 50mm 1.2 L cost $1200. Thats all Im saying. Can I get away with good quality if I went the cheap lens route ?

i would not get the 50mm L for video. you have to manually focus and you can get MF 50mm f1.2 lenses for $300..

i have a large number of lenses and my favorite lens so shoot video with is the zuiko 55mm f1.2 because its so easy to manually focus and the background blur i can achieve with it is truly awesome...

http://www.youtube.com …ture=mfu_in_ord​er&list=UL (external link)

stopped down its very sharp, but wide open it has this lovely dreamy effect thats perfect for portraits.

The only other lens i'll pick up for video is the 24-105mm IS L and thats only cos it has IS.


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Jan 27, 2011 06:25 |  #22

A 50mm 1.4 super takumar would have have saved you $6,800 dollars.


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Jan 27, 2011 06:48 |  #23

Refresh Image wrote in post #11722387 (external link)
L is not only better resolution ( which is of importance to pixel peepers anyway)
It is better contrast, color and bokeh. Finally L zooms provide larger aperture than non Ls.
Now you ask if you could go away with 50/1.8 and the like. I have limited experience in video but still enough to say that unlike still photography having zoom lens is paramount. What would you shoot with a prime lens , a brick wall ?

have many videos have you seen where the camera zooms?!?

prime lenses are just as useful for video as they are for stills.. thin DOF and low light


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Jan 27, 2011 07:38 |  #24

Vroom_fondel wrote in post #11723013 (external link)
Ahhh, come on. I for one think that this guy is one of the more entertaining trolls I have seen on here so far.

And I know what I'm talking about, I saw a video on youtube that said so :lol:

Yes, they are somewhat entertaining but I was just pointing out that no matter what advice anyone offers, it doesn't matter. If the OP doesn't like the way a particular thread is going they will just start another or go find some ridiculous YouTube video and go off on another tangent because if YouTube says it, it must be true. People are genuinely trying to be helpful, but so far it has been completely pointless to do so.

In the past couple of days this person has started three threads singing the praises of the Panasonic GH2 as the best video camera ever because YouTube said so. Not only is it the best video camera ever, but it must have the best lens ever simply because it says Leica on the lens. THREE THREADS!!! They own at least $9,000 worth of Canon equipment and want to sell it all because of a YouTube video.

In the middle of saying the want the GH2, there are now two more threads on using cheap lenses for video versus expensive ones. The reasoning for these two new threads? YouTube of course! Because it would make perfect sense to sell some very nice L lenses and buy cheap ones. In the three GH2 threads everyone just ended up saying get the GH2 and be done with it. But even after all that, these two new lens threads are about Canon or Canon-mount lenses, which obviously don't fit the GH2. Three threads worth of replies that were ignored.

Several weeks ago this genius started three other threads about getting rid of their 7D for a 60D because of AGC. They are super serious about their video producing you know so built-in audio on a DSLR is obviously the best solution. Three more threads about the same ridiculous topic, though the mods were kind enough to merge those three into one.

If anyone wants to offer any advice to the OP, I suggest making a YouTube video as that seems to be their sole source of information.


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Jan 27, 2011 07:42 |  #25

JustinRageth wrote in post #11723183 (external link)
Why would someone buy over 8 grand in photog equipment for video purposes? Wouldnt you use that cash on video camera equipment?? Tell you what OP, give me a couple of your lenses and I will judge if it is better quality or not...k?

That was my thought also!
or ask questions before spending $8,000

yourdoinitwrong wrote in post #11722617 (external link)
Unfortunately you are all wasting your time. This troll has continually posted multiple threads on same/similar topics yet refuses to listen to any advice offered. If you would like to be amused then take a look at all the other threads they started and you will see what I'm talking about. I could go on, but I'm trying to show some restraint.

OK, good point if that's the case




  
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Jan 27, 2011 07:48 |  #26

watt100 wrote in post #11723970 (external link)
OK, good point if that's the case

Check out their post/thread history, I guarantee it will leave you scratching your head. On the other hand you will probably get a good chuckle out of it too.


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Jan 27, 2011 07:55 |  #27

yourdoinitwrong wrote in post #11723955 (external link)
If anyone wants to offer any advice to the OP, I suggest making a YouTube video as that seems to be their sole source of information.

Reading the threads, I think "because Phillip Bloom said so" is also an acceptable source :lol:


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Jan 27, 2011 07:58 |  #28

yourdoinitwrong wrote in post #11723989 (external link)
Check out their post/thread history, I guarantee it will leave you scratching your head. On the other hand you will probably get a good chuckle out of it too.

yes, I believe you are right




  
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Jan 27, 2011 10:19 |  #29

Refresh Image wrote in post #11722387 (external link)
L is not only better resolution ( which is of importance to pixel peepers anyway)
It is better contrast, color and bokeh. Finally L zooms provide larger aperture than non Ls.*
Now you ask if you could go away with 50/1.8 and the like. I have limited experience in video but still enough to say that unlike still photography having zoom lens is paramount.* What would you shoot with a prime lens , a brick wall ?

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Jan 28, 2011 01:21 |  #30

1. L vs. non-L is not the point in many cases. You would shoot better video with a 100$ 50mm f/1.8 than you would with a 1000$ 24-105mm L f/4 in many (not all) cases.

2. Depends on light available; low light favors the L series in that they tend to have larger apertures relative to comparable non-L series lenses.

3. Lenses are in the middle of the list of importance of what makes a good video. What matters as much or more is.... ND filters (in bright light) audio, post processing/grading, calibration of the camera, support and focus pulling. Not to mention the intangibles, such as a compelling story if that is what you are doing.


Past that, any other discussion in pointless and a waste of electrons without knowing
1. Moving or static
2. Light conditions
3. Lenses purchased
4. Intended use


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