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Jan 26, 2011 18:51 |  #1

Shot a couple high school games over the last week. Here's a couple from the last two games.

Shot these with a D3 w/ 80-200 settings were about 1/250, f3.2 f2.8 ISO 800-1000. For the first three shots I was using two SB-26 speed lights even with the baseline bounced off the back wall. For the last three shots speed lights were even with the base light and pointed direct onto the court towards the top of the key. Let me know what you think.

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Jan 26, 2011 19:40 |  #2

Very nice shots!!!




  
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Jan 26, 2011 20:09 as a reply to  @ mark2009's post |  #3

I really like 4 and 6


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Jan 26, 2011 20:18 |  #4

Great shots! Some questions if I may....

At those settings, are you getting some ambient light in the shot? Is that why the backgrounds are fairly well lit also? If that is so, then how have you avoided blurring on the extremeties?

How high are your lights, and where are they pointed as far a the vertical plane? I have shot with mine a little higher than the basket, pointed down towards the top of the key. The players are well lit, but the backgrounds go dark, as no light is reaching that far. I have been wondering about experimenting with pointing them further up the court and letting the light feather the players in the near court- any thoughts?




  
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Jan 27, 2011 11:49 |  #5

Thanks for the comments

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Great shots! Some questions if I may....

At those settings, are you getting some ambient light in the shot? Is that why the backgrounds are fairly well lit also? If that is so, then how have you avoided blurring on the extremeties?

How high are your lights, and where are they pointed as far a the vertical plane? I have shot with mine a little higher than the basket, pointed down towards the top of the key. The players are well lit, but the backgrounds go dark, as no light is reaching that far. I have been wondering about experimenting with pointing them further up the court and letting the light feather the players in the near court- any thoughts?

First off questions are always welcome.

There is actually very little ambient light entering the frame in any of these shots maybe just highlights. Both of these gyms require ISO over 3200 to shoot ambient so dialing down to below 1000 ISO pretty much cuts it out. The backgrounds are fairly well lit because that is just fall off from the strobes. The exposures down at that end of the court are actually about 1-2 stops darker then at the end Im shooting on. The walls are white so it reflects more of the fall off making the ambient look brighter.

As far as ghosting goes, I have my lights turned up high enough to freeze the action at 1/250 and camera settings closed up enough to kill most of the ambient light. Ghosting happens when you are getting too much ambient into your frame mixing with the flashed light. So when you fire the camera records the initial flash (your prominent image) then if you are still allowing ambient light into the sensor the milliseconds after the flash goes off and the shutter still open the camera records the slight movements made by the players causing ghosting to occur. Basically cut out the ambient light and your ghosting will go away.

In regards to actual placement of the lights for me its actually pretty simple. 9 foot stands all the way up for direct lighting and for bounced put the strobes at head level. Not very scientific but It works. Im guessing you are using between 50-85mm zoom and lower than 1/8th power on your strobes.I might be wrong but for me when I use settings like that I get well lit players and dark backgrounds. Try opening up the strobe to a wide angle I tend to use 35mm a lot and bump your power up I normally use about 1/2 power. You have to play with the settings but if you use a wider zoom on the strobe the light will spread out more filling in your background.

Here's a link to a post I made a while back about the gear I use and some of the setups I use https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=635625

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.


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Jan 27, 2011 15:47 |  #6

Thanks-

I am thinking that I am zoomed too far, and maybe placed too high as well. I will make some changes and see how things look this weekend.

Appreciate the guidance!




  
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Jan 27, 2011 16:36 |  #7

No problem. If you didnt already look the link I posted above has diagrams where I put my lights for different set ups. That might help you out too.


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Jan 27, 2011 17:03 as a reply to  @ northpointphoto's post |  #8

It looks like the first three are overexposed (uniforms blown out). In all six the WB is out of whack (orange looking).


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Jan 28, 2011 14:12 |  #9

I did follow the link- very helpful- thanks!




  
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Jan 29, 2011 03:08 |  #10

Cool shots Russel. I like the look of the direct strobes better than the bounced shots.

Do you get any more reaction from the players, coaches or refs by going direct rather than bounce? I've not yet tried to direct flash basketball, but with all the goofy parents and their P&S or Digi Rebels and pop-ups going off along the side lines, maybe I should try direct some night soon?

Just a quick story from a couple weeks back. I was shooting my son's team as they were playing a game. I was doing my usual thing firing four speedlites as two mated pairs, bounced onto the back wall of the gym when this woman comes over and takes a spot right next to me. She has a Canon of some sort, maybe a T1i and a 50mm f1.8 with the pop-up open. Where we were shooting from is just off the center of the basket behind the baseline. There is a nice cut-out in the baseline wall that the refs let me shoot from as I don't interfer with them from there. I was shooting our team playing defense and she was blasting the other team straight in the face with the pop-up each time the came down the court to that basket. And the funny thing was that she wasn't just firing her camera once, but several shots in a row, with the pop up trying to keep up and that funny fantastic, plastic lens also trying to keep up. I just shook my head and tried to ignor her. She kept looking down at me from her standing position and looking at my rig (40D with a 24-70L and wireless transmitter in the hotshoe). I wanted to say, "Why don't you just take a picture, it'll last longer."
I really wonder what she was getting. It couldn't have been much. I was just hoping that the refs didn't think I was the one popping the kids directly in the face.


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Jan 29, 2011 15:19 |  #11

Yep, 4 and 6 are completely nailed! Great lighting on your shots.

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Jan 30, 2011 20:03 |  #12

ChasWG wrote in post #11736008 (external link)
Cool shots Russel. I like the look of the direct strobes better than the bounced shots.

Do you get any more reaction from the players, coaches or refs by going direct rather than bounce? I've not yet tried to direct flash basketball, but with all the goofy parents and their P&S or Digi Rebels and pop-ups going off along the side lines, maybe I should try direct some night soon?

Thanks. I like direct flash more most of the time but I cant stand the harsh shadows I get a lot of the time.

As far as people talking about using strobes the only comment I've ever got was before a HS basketball championship game I was setting up strobes and test firing them and a couple of the girls on the team came up and asked if I was going to be using them during the game. I told them yes and they were like wow they are really bright have you used them before. I told them I used them at every game and they were like wow we've never noticed them before. After the game I asked them and they said they never noticed them going off even though I took over 500 shots that game.


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