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Feb 10, 2011 07:56 |  #16

archer1960 wrote in post #11814482 (external link)
The biggest difference I can see is the flare in the first 1.2 shot.

When i was doing tests of my 50L vs nifty fifty, I was actually getting a LOT more CA, some of it not correctable in LR3, in the 50L, which degraded the images IMO.


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Feb 10, 2011 07:57 as a reply to  @ post 11814482 |  #17

i knew as soon as i read the first post, the proceeding post would just tear it apart and nit-pick.




  
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Feb 10, 2011 08:00 |  #18

ilumo wrote in post #11814518 (external link)
When i was doing tests of my 50L vs nifty fifty, I was actually getting a LOT more CA, some of it not correctable in LR3, in the 50L, which degraded the images IMO.

I've seen this as well:

50L @ f/1.2

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And 50/1.4 @ f/1.4

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Feb 10, 2011 08:05 |  #19

Tommydigi wrote in post #11813525 (external link)
The 50 1.4 is an amazing lens just like the Tamron 28-75, Canon 17-40 etc but like most of us know you pay a premium for some small things ( an extra stop, USM, weather seal etc. ) In most conditions most of these things have little effect on the end result. Seems lots of 50 1.2 haters or lovers, not much in between.

you do. but it's threads like these that can bring certain people back to "reality". Some of the propaganda, and the elitism that I see on these boards is out of this world.
On one side, you will have people be objective, nod in consent that these popular L lenses are just really not THAT magical, and it's really the composition/pp that people gawk over. L's do have advantages in build, USM, speed, resale more so than I think in pure "IQ".
On the other side, you will get the "fanboys" that will defend/justify their beloved L glass to the very end, arguing that there is a magical difference in color, contrast, sharpness vs their non L brethren. This is simply not true in most of the cases. Not unless you get to exotic super telephoto L's which don't have equivalent "value" counterparts. And it's funny these fanboys never have quantitative comparisons, and the pictures they gawk over are mostly "web" sized anyway...


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Feb 10, 2011 08:08 as a reply to  @ ilumo's post |  #20

I will only own L lenses because I'm an elitest snob with a big e-prick, that will only have 'the best'.




  
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Feb 10, 2011 08:11 |  #21

Op, can you post pictures of photos shot during the day, I would love to see a comparison in contrast, color and bokeh


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Feb 10, 2011 08:26 |  #22

m.shalaby wrote in post #11814583 (external link)
I will only own L lenses because I'm an elitest snob with a big e-prick, that will only have 'the best'.

LOL! A man who knows himself...


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Feb 10, 2011 08:37 |  #23

I would love to own a 50L, and I prolly will at some point. But honestly, for the money, the 1.4 is a much better value....for me i suppose. Yes, you get weather sealing, better build, and the the 1.2, but for my shooting, those things aren't worth an extra $1000.

I can see if you are a pro, or do a lotg of shooting how the L is worth it. I just cant notice a difference in the pictures to justify the extra cash.

The difference between the 35L and 35 f2, now thats a huge difference. Def worth the extra $1000 there.


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Feb 10, 2011 08:46 |  #24

Trevor04GT wrote in post #11814727 (external link)
I would love to own a 50L, and I prolly will at some point. But honestly, for the money, the 1.4 is a much better value....for me i suppose. Yes, you get weather sealing, better build, and the the 1.2, but for my shooting, those things aren't worth an extra $1000.

I can see if you are a pro, or do a lotg of shooting how the L is worth it. I just cant notice a difference in the pictures to justify the extra cash.

The difference between the 35L and 35 f2, now thats a huge difference. Def worth the extra $1000 there.

Depends on what you shoot. unless you need the extra stop, or you shoot a lot of specular highlights, 35 2.0 is probably good enough. But for sure, you get more performance from a 35 2.0 -> 35L vs a 50 1.4 -> 50L


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Feb 10, 2011 08:48 |  #25

I'm currently in the middle of this debate myself. I definitely don't see a sharpness or color difference between my Canon 50 1.4 and 50L; however, the build of the L lens is FAR, FAR better than the 1.4. The lack of dampening in the focus ring of the 1.4 is pretty bothersome to me, no wonder the AF motors in them consistently fail. I still haven't decided if the L lens is worth a $900 more, but I'm leaning that way.


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Feb 10, 2011 09:14 |  #26

shujert wrote in post #11814778 (external link)
I'm currently in the middle of this debate myself. I definitely don't see a sharpness or color difference between my Canon 50 1.4 and 50L; however, the build of the L lens is FAR, FAR better than the 1.4. The lack of dampening in the focus ring of the 1.4 is pretty bothersome to me, no wonder the AF motors in them consistently fail. I still haven't decided if the L lens is worth a $900 more, but I'm leaning that way.


I had both lenses too ( 1.4 and 1.2 ) I honestly think the 1.4 can do 90% of what the 1.2 can do but the big downside ( IMO ) with the 1.4 is the micro USM. mine was pretty bad at getting focus in low light and it got really frustrating and since I like shooting at 50 the L was really the best choice. I have other good lenses so its not like I had to give up something for the 50L. If I was considering a good zoom or something else I needed I would easily choose a 50 1.4 or 1.8 and put the money toward something else but I wanted a top quality prime and the 1.2 splits time about 50/50 with my 24-70 on my 5d2.


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Feb 10, 2011 09:36 |  #27

DL.Photography wrote in post #11814598 (external link)
Op, can you post pictures of photos shot during the day, I would love to see a comparison in contrast, color and bokeh


Yes, I intend to do so. But it's dark here in Sweden when I get of work. But I'll try some studioshots tonight.

shujert wrote in post #11814778 (external link)
I'm currently in the middle of this debate myself. I definitely don't see a sharpness or color difference between my Canon 50 1.4 and 50L; however, the build of the L lens is FAR, FAR better than the 1.4. The lack of dampening in the focus ring of the 1.4 is pretty bothersome to me, no wonder the AF motors in them consistently fail. I still haven't decided if the L lens is worth a $900 more, but I'm leaning that way.

I totally agree on all points. In the IQ-apartment 50L has better bokeh, the oof-circles are almost round up until f/4.0.

And I just wanted to show what has been stated elsewhere on this forum about the rendering, color and contrast which is supposed to tear the 50/1.4 to pieces. So this is not me hating on the 50L, just presenting the facts.


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Feb 10, 2011 09:46 |  #28

And I just wanted to show what has been stated elsewhere on this forum about the rendering, color and contrast which is supposed to tear the 50/1.4 to pieces. So this is not me hating on the 50L, just presenting the facts.

I had pretty much the same post when I first got mine, I sent my first 50L back but after I looked through my LR folders I easily picked out the 50L shots. I would bet if you tested a 28-135 to a 24-105 or an 85 1.8 to a 1.2 you would also get similar photos as well. In all of these cased the L's are certainly better lenses but not drastically better considering the price difference. If its worth it to you its worth it.

By the way, I do like that you did not shoot batteries and other silly stuff, I like the photos you took to test.


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Feb 10, 2011 10:00 |  #29

Tommydigi wrote in post #11815088 (external link)
By the way, I do like that you did not shoot batteries and other silly stuff, I like the photos you took to test.

Hey thanks! I'll try and get some studioshots up later.


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Feb 10, 2011 10:13 as a reply to  @ shujert's post |  #30

nights shots doesn't differentiate these 2 lenses apart.

The 50L shines in daytime shots from what i've seen and maintains good contrast even at wide open.
The F/1.4 lens loses a lot of contrast when shot at f/1.4 and is impossible to PP to get a decent looking image with nice colours. It's almost as if im shooting with fog on my lens.


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