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Feb 24, 2011 11:03 |  #1

I currently have an XSi and have been doing a lot of indoor portrait shooting. (I do very little to no sport shooting.) I find I have to use my Tammy 17-50 a lot because of the limited space I am shooting in, sometimes space is a problem. My question is:
Would it be better to purchase a wide angle lens such as Tokina 11-16 or Canon 10-22 or go ahead and upgrade to a FF and have the higher ISO capability?
I would appreciate any and all input.


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Feb 24, 2011 11:09 |  #2

If you're going to spend $800 on a wide angle lens, I would just spend a couple hundred more and get a 5D Mk I. Simply moving to FF will get you your true 17mm vs the 27mm FOV you're getting now.

That being said, you really shouldn't be using anything that wide for portrait work if you're even coming close to filling the frame with your subject. If you're doing a more involved scene with props or multiple subjects it might be fine, but you're going to see some pronounced feature distortion at that wide of a focal length if you're filling your frame with your subject.


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Feb 24, 2011 11:10 |  #3

You have more decisions to make than that. The first is if you are doing available light portraits and have the need for better ISO performance its time to start using lighting. But back to lens vs body. Either the wide lens for the crop, or a less wide lens on a full frame is going to add unnaceptable perspective distortion for portraiture. Before you buy anything you probably need to read up on perspective control and understand how that impacts portraiture.




  
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Feb 24, 2011 11:11 |  #4

BrandonSi wrote in post #11905601 (external link)
If you're going to spend $800 on a wide angle lens, I would just spend a couple hundred more and get a 5D Mk I. Simply moving to FF will get you your true 17mm vs the 27mm FOV you're getting now.
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Except if he buys a 5D, he'll only be able to use the 50mm as his other lenses are designed for crop bodies ONLY. The 17-50 WILL mount, but you'll get awful vignetting, and the 55-250 and 18-55 won't even mount. So he will NOT be getting "true 17mm", he'll get crap.




  
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Feb 24, 2011 11:12 as a reply to  @ BrandonSi's post |  #5

It seems the space I have in the bedroom around the furniture to get a good angle is limited. It seems to be just close but just not enough.


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Feb 24, 2011 11:14 |  #6

brywill32669 wrote in post #11905628 (external link)
It seems the space I have in the bedroom around the furniture to get a good angle is limited. It seems to be just close but just not enough.

But you cant fix that with wide lenses, as they will allow you to work closer, but disfigure your subject. Shooting close with wider lenses results in things closer to the camera being unacceptably exaggerated. Noses grow while ears shrink. Its not what you want.




  
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Feb 24, 2011 11:14 |  #7

egordon99 wrote in post #11905621 (external link)
Except if he buys a 5D, he'll only be able to use the 50mm as his other lenses are designed for crop bodies ONLY. The 17-50 WILL mount, but you'll get awful vignetting, and the 55-250 and 18-55 won't even mount. So he will NOT be getting "true 17mm", he'll get crap.

Good points, I didn't look at his lens lineup! FF is definitely going to require some selling and reinvestment on his part.


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Feb 24, 2011 11:56 as a reply to  @ BrandonSi's post |  #8

I have no problem with the selling and reinvesting. Its like marriage... ;)
So realistically... would it be best to buy or rent the lens and start saving for the FF and a good lens? That is what I am leaning towards.
I have been shooting in rooms 10x10 and 10x12, having about 5-6 feet from subject... I am almost able to get the full body in. So I am getting better at angles, I will say that.
I appreciate all the input.


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Feb 24, 2011 13:07 |  #9

gonzogolf wrote in post #11905644 (external link)
But you cant fix that with wide lenses, as they will allow you to work closer, but disfigure your subject. Shooting close with wider lenses results in things closer to the camera being unacceptably exaggerated. Noses grow while ears shrink. Its not what you want.

brywill32669 wrote in post #11905909 (external link)
I have no problem with the selling and reinvesting. Its like marriage... :wink:
So realistically... would it be best to buy or rent the lens and start saving for the FF and a good lens? That is what I am leaning towards.
I have been shooting in rooms 10x10 and 10x12, having about 5-6 feet from subject... I am almost able to get the full body in. So I am getting better at angles, I will say that.
I appreciate all the input.


the problem is not deciding on a lens, it's your room!
seriously, for full length portraits use another space so you can use a regular 50 -100mm crop focal length.
Like they said, a wide angle will allow you to get closer but at the detriment of the photo subject




  
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Feb 24, 2011 13:24 |  #10

Yeah, you are way too close to the subject and any lens that's wide enough to do a full length portrait from 5 or 6 ft away will dramatically distort peoples features. They'll have big noses, little ears, bent legs and tiny feet, anamorphicall distorted.

Your real problem is that you need a larger space to shoot in. On a crop sensor camera you want to be able to use around 40mm to 50mm minimum, for more natural looking proportions. Going to full frame will not change anything... You'd just need to use 70mm to 85mm minimum.


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