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Will Canon Move To The Micro 4/3rd Format Within A Year Or So For The Video Consumers

 
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Mar 07, 2011 09:02 |  #46

But what I'm suggesting is a 4/3 camera with an attached zoom lens, like the G-series has.

In other words, a G12 with the bigger sensor of a 4/3 or even crop (like Fuji released...I think).

Is that physically possible?

I think yes. But then, I'm not an engineer.


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Mar 07, 2011 09:05 |  #47

MikeFairbanks wrote in post #11968969 (external link)
I want a zoom built in to the camera, but with a larger sensor.

The bigger the sensor, the bigger the lenses need to be for a given field-of-view.




  
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Mar 07, 2011 09:06 |  #48

MikeFairbanks wrote in post #11972395 (external link)
But what I'm suggesting is a 4/3 camera with an attached zoom lens, like the G-series has.

In other words, a G12 with the bigger sensor of a 4/3 or even crop (like Fuji released...I think).

Is that physically possible?

Not if you want the same field-of-view coverage that the G12 gives you (because of the bigger sensor)




  
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Mar 07, 2011 09:56 |  #49

MikeFairbanks wrote in post #11972395 (external link)
But what I'm suggesting is a 4/3 camera with an attached zoom lens, like the G-series has.

In other words, a G12 with the bigger sensor of a 4/3 or even crop (like Fuji released...I think).

Is that physically possible?

I think yes. But then, I'm not an engineer.

We used to have that with film compacts, but in order to get the lens to be retractable, they had to make them insanely slow. I think my $300 Minolta 35mm compact was a 35-160mm f5-9. Using a super slow lens negates any advantage a large sensor would have.


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Mar 07, 2011 09:58 |  #50

tkbslc wrote in post #11972684 (external link)
We used to have that with film compacts, but in order to get the lens to be retractable, they had to make them insanely slow. I think my $300 Minolta 35mm compact was a 35-160mm f5-9. Using a super slow lens negates any advantage a large sensor would have.

Yep....You can get the lenses a bit smaller by removing the mirror so the rear of the lens can be closer to the sensor/film (another reason why compact 35mm cameras were as small as they were, and why EVIL cameras are becoming popular), but the size savings isn't as big as you'd think.




  
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Mar 07, 2011 10:06 |  #51

That is why I am excited about the new crop of super fast lens compacts. That Olympus XZ-1 with it's f1.8-2.5 lens is better than a m4/3 + kit lens in almost every regard. The fast lens makes up for the smaller sensor.


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Mar 07, 2011 10:14 |  #52

tkbslc wrote in post #11972762 (external link)
That is why I am excited about the new crop of super fast lens compacts. That Olympus XZ-1 with it's f1.8-2.5 lens is better than a m4/3 + kit lens in almost every regard. The fast lens makes up for the smaller sensor.

hmmmm, I'll have to look into that! I have the S90 but it pretty much lives at 6mm indoors because it's f/2 at the wide end, but quickly slows down to f/4.9 :(




  
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Mar 07, 2011 10:29 |  #53

egordon99 wrote in post #11972801 (external link)
hmmmm, I'll have to look into that! I have the S90 but it pretty much lives at 6mm indoors because it's f/2 at the wide end, but quickly slows down to f/4.9 :(

THere are a few models out now with fast zoom lenses:

Olympus XZ-1 - 28-105mm (equiv). f1.8-2.5
Panasonic LX5 - 24-90mm f2-3.3
Samsung TL500 - 24-72mm f1.8-2.4


Of course none are as pocketable as the S90/95, so it's a tradeoff.


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Mar 07, 2011 16:55 |  #54

Interestingly I found this interview with Dominic Papenheim from Olympus Europe by MegaPixel:

http://www.megapixel.c​o.il/english/archive/1​4631 (external link)

Papenheim predicts that "in 5-10 years reflex cameras will be a niche or will not be there at all" (the last Q&A at the end of the web page). I am looking to buy a m4/3 camera, but I think that is still too hopeful for the future of mirrorless cameras.




  
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Mar 07, 2011 17:01 |  #55

the dslr still have a huge advantage over a mirrorless. AF speed is one of the biggies. And AF tracking, as the evf does not allow for easy uses of burst and panning. They just do not have the refresh rate currently to match the ovf. That is why the slt you are looking at a 1/10 second delay with in high speed burst, nothing live.


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Mar 09, 2011 09:10 |  #56

Tammy T wrote in post #11975357 (external link)
Interestingly I found this interview with Dominic Papenheim from Olympus Europe by MegaPixel:

http://www.megapixel.c​o.il/english/archive/1​4631 (external link)

Papenheim predicts that "in 5-10 years reflex cameras will be a niche or will not be there at all" (the last Q&A at the end of the web page). I am looking to buy a m4/3 camera, but I think that is still too hopeful for the future of mirrorless cameras.

Another interesting article to read along with the above interview ...

http://www.43rumors.co​m …mpus-pen-pro-a-must-read/ (external link)

It is about whether m4/3 will be able to meet the pros' photography needs.




  
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Mar 21, 2011 00:25 |  #57

Canon will be moving toward this soon




  
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Mar 21, 2011 00:30 |  #58

produce12 wrote in post #12060240 (external link)
Canon will be moving toward this soon

Don't hold your breath. Canon is apparently satisfied being in pro and consumer SLRs and P&S cameras. I seriously doubt they will be going to a mirroless body.


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Mar 21, 2011 01:40 |  #59

Its odd. we are at a time where canon and nikon are reaping huge rewards and SLR's are more popular than ever and still have absolute advantages over other types of cameras, and yet people are predicting their downfall?

Its like predicting people wont buy sportscars because a prius is more efficient.

As for canon making a m43rds, why would they fab new sensors in a size they havnt used before then make a whole new range of lenses?

Canon (and nikon) may get into the mirrorless realm but I suspect its a while off and will come with aps-c sensors.


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