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Mar 12, 2011 20:53 |  #16

Ok so if you were me you would go with the 60? I dont have an assistant but usually when i shoot i have other ppl there.




  
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Mar 12, 2011 21:24 |  #17

I tried 60" only one time for outdoor shoot. It was pain as mine didn't have quick ring. Besides that I don't think there is any more issues with 60" over 36". All modifiers are quite light IMHO unless using grids.


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Mar 12, 2011 21:39 |  #18

Theory is all fine but don't get hung up on the size thing:

5' octa:

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20" sftbox:
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Mar 13, 2011 04:23 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #19

Nice shots Bobby. I agree that people shouldn't get hung up on the size but I also wouldn't call that soft light being created by those smaller modifiers. The shadows have a defined edge and transitions aren't all that smooth.

As I said, you can do the work with smaller modifiers but if you like very soft light, that's not the way to get it.

A main light source that is 24" square and at a distance great enough to give you the coverage you need does NOT create soft light. It can't.


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Mar 13, 2011 10:58 |  #20

Ok thx i might just get the 60 and if its a pain ill sell it for the 36




  
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Mar 13, 2011 11:00 as a reply to  @ unlimited6986's post |  #21

Ultimately having both is a good idea. There are other sizes in between 36 and 60. If you want to keep it simple, portable and lightweight you might want to look at something like the Photek Softlighter II. It's available in a 46" version that is really nice and does a beautiful job on full length shots.


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Mar 13, 2011 11:11 |  #22

Yea i was thinking about that one too. They have those knock off ones 2 for like 30$. how would these be compared to the octa? Or just go with the octa and these 2?




  
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Mar 13, 2011 12:29 |  #23

I just bought the 2 pack for 35$ so ill try those out first before i spend the 100$ now.




  
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Mar 13, 2011 13:09 |  #24

unlimited6986 wrote in post #12011718 (external link)
I just bought the 2 pack for 35$ so ill try those out first before i spend the 100$ now.

Good deal. I've read a lot of positive reviews of those Softlighter knock-off's and they're a great way to start exploring light.

The most significant difference between an octa and an umbrella softbox is the control of spill. That's not to say that there is no spill with an octa and it's important to note that if the octa has a flush front then it's no better than an umbrella softbox in the control department.

The difference comes in to play when the front diffusion panel is recessed and there's a leading edge. That adds quite a bit of control but in many situations even that's not enough control, and that's why people want and use grids.

In an outdoor scenario you'll probably never notice or care. Indoors can be quite a different story when you want separation between subject and background or if you're in a small room with low ceilings. Then, that lack of control turns into a lot of reflection and unwanted return to the subject area or background.


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Mar 13, 2011 13:12 |  #25

Thanks i also just bought a 22" beauty dish with grid also. I would love to meet you and pick your brain apart lol




  
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Mar 13, 2011 14:27 as a reply to  @ unlimited6986's post |  #26

I love shooting hard light with defined shadow transitions. My most used modifiers are Maxilite, standard reflectors and the DO without and diffusion.

Just depends on your style and what you shoot.


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Mar 13, 2011 15:06 as a reply to  @ TwoShoes's post |  #27

I agree Luke. I love hard light for certain things. It's not for everyone and not for everything but it can be absolutely gorgeous light.


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Mar 25, 2011 21:37 |  #28

TMR Design wrote in post #12011337 (external link)
Ultimately having both is a good idea. There are other sizes in between 36 and 60. If you want to keep it simple, portable and lightweight you might want to look at something like the Photek Softlighter II. It's available in a 46" version that is really nice and does a beautiful job on full length shots.

I was happy to see the Softlighter II referred to here. Not to hijack the thread, but along these lines would the 46" Softlighter using one Quadra S head and Lastolite medium reflector be a good rig for shooting swimwear shots at the beach? I will be shooting by myself.




  
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Mar 26, 2011 11:00 |  #29

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... but along these lines would the (fill in the blank) be a good rig for shooting swimwear shots at the beach? I will be shooting by myself.

Keep in mind, 'at the beach' typically has breezes, and managing any light modifier in the wind can be quite challenging, particularly the larger ones! That is why most pros would have assistants in this setting.


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Mar 26, 2011 11:15 |  #30

For full length the 60" is almost a necessity.
The Pro Studio Solutions foldable octas are well made for the price. The grids are marginal, probably better than nothing, and they're cheap.

The beauty dish disc is a nice touch but you should spend some time testing it to make sure you find the optimum position on the shaft.


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