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I still don't understand the point of the full frame camera

 
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Mar 14, 2011 19:40 |  #16

My next body will be the 5DmrkIII (when it comes out) :p


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Mar 14, 2011 19:42 |  #17

A good photographer can take a better picture with a point and shoot than a beginner with a 5d mkii. That is the point of it's not the camera. Also, a good photographer having the best equipment has the ability to produce better results. That's where it is the camera.


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Mar 14, 2011 19:43 |  #18

Bendel wrote in post #12020678 (external link)
A good photographer can take a better picture with a point and shoot than a beginner with a 5d mkii. That is the point of it's not the camera. Also, a good photographer having the best equipment has the ability to produce better results. That's where it is the camera.

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Mar 14, 2011 19:44 |  #19

Brain Mechanic wrote in post #12020653 (external link)
The bigger the sensor the better? So the biggest the MP value the better too? There are a lot of variables here, size is NOT the most important.

Huh? More MP definitely NOT the standard for better. That's a sales gimmick that manufactures use. But in just about every case of a larger sensor, they MP can be fit more easily without all sorts of tricks, so size definitely does matter.




  
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Mar 14, 2011 19:46 |  #20

Bendel wrote in post #12020678 (external link)
A good photographer can take a better picture with a point and shoot than a beginner with a 5d mkii. That is the point of it's not the camera. Also, a good photographer having the best equipment has the ability to produce better results. That's where it is the camera.

Heard that one played out many times in this form already. Come to think of it, I've heard this FF sensor stuff going on for years now.




  
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Mar 14, 2011 19:49 |  #21
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RandyMN wrote in post #12020696 (external link)
Huh? More MP definitely NOT the standard for better. That's a sales gimmick that manufactures use. But in just about every case of a larger sensor, they MP can be fit more easily without all sorts of tricks, so size definitely does matter.

I was been sarcastic.


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Mar 14, 2011 19:51 |  #22

RandyMN wrote in post #12020704 (external link)
Heard that one played out many times in this form already. Come to think of it, I've heard this FF sensor stuff going on for years now.

But if we didn't have a photography forum to whine and argue on we'd have to go take pictures or something crazy...

At some point these arguments (however pointless they may be because there is an infinite amount of factors) actually have real merit because they are the basis of decisions. If nobody argued about the different alternatives this would be a very, very boring forum with everyone patting each other on the back.


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Mar 14, 2011 19:55 |  #23

Bendel wrote in post #12020743 (external link)
But if we didn't have a photography forum to whine and argue on we'd have to go take pictures or something crazy...

At some point these arguments (however pointless they may be because there is an infinite amount of factors) actually have real merit because they are the basis of decisions. If nobody argued about the different alternatives this would be a very, very boring forum with everyone patting each other on the back.

Sorry, sometimes sarcasm does interpret very well in black and white typing. Should have added a little face. :rolleyes:

Oops! Quoted the wrong link... Oh well




  
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Mar 14, 2011 19:56 |  #24

The larger the sensor size is the larger the individual pixels are and the better the iq as a result. with lenses being = the image taken using the larger sensor will have the better iq compared to a crop sensor. Same reason large format film like 120mm,4"X 5",8"X10"delivered better large prints than smaller size film like 35mm could.


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Mar 14, 2011 20:02 |  #25

Bendel wrote in post #12020678 (external link)
A good photographer can take a better picture with a point and shoot than a beginner with a 5d mkii. That is the point of it's not the camera. Also, a good photographer having the best equipment has the ability to produce better results. That's where it is the camera.

Agree.

But newbie should get a fancy camera and lens, then more chance to have useful photo :cool:

Back to the topic: FF and L lens are Canon's trick for ripping people off. Stay away :lol:


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Mar 14, 2011 20:03 |  #26

Hey I used to specify 8x10 format for studio product shots. You couldn't beat the detail on a can label. Not many shooters liked to do it since they had the medium SLR and had to load film holders in the 8x10 Oh well I paid for it and I always did it with chrome Thats transparency to the unfamiliar. Very First Class way to go.
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Mar 14, 2011 20:05 |  #27

When a Canon 1.6 crop can have identical details/resolution and ISO performance as a 5dmk2 I will jump for it.

My preference is full frame simply because of IQ and my AF needs isn't as demanding as birder/motorsports/spo​rts photography.

If and when 5dmk3 becomes real rather than vaporware I think this will transform alot of crop users into FF users simply because of the large jump in IQ. The 5dmk3 with improved AF will be substantial $$$ but not nearly as much as a 1dsmk3 or vaporware 1dsmk4.

Truthfully crop or FF users shouldn't debate on what is better or worst. Personal preference is whatever suites their needs. Almost like telling a black coffee drinker its simply wrong and a mocha latte is the only way to consume coffee :)

OP, if you haven't thoroughly used a FF you have no basis for comparison. I love my oldie 5dc because of the files it produces. I still prefer those 5dc files more than my previous crops I own and this also inclues my 1dmk3.


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Mar 14, 2011 20:07 |  #28

sam walker wrote in post #12020842 (external link)
Hey I used to specify 8x10 format for studio product shots. You couldn't beat the detail on a can label. Not many shooters liked to do it since they had the medium SLR and had to load film holders in the 8x10 Oh well I paid for it and I always did it with chrome Thats transparency to the unfamiliar. Very First Class way to go.
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Yeah! And when I get rich I want to go even larger than full frame with a Hasselblad. But then again, maybe I better wait for this thread to answer the question on whether larger sensor actually does any better.

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Mar 14, 2011 20:19 |  #29

Everyone knows the main difference of FF is to MAKE YOU SPEND MORE! Who wants EF-S lenses?:confused:


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Mar 14, 2011 20:25 as a reply to  @ post 12020663 |  #30

I think that FF has more meaning to older photographers like myself who used to shoot film. I am only 43 but it is still a far cry from 21 so old is relative I guess! I know that when I went digital with a 10D from my 1 Series film bodies I was not a happy camper as my lens collection (as small as it was) was built around the actual focal lengths on a FF body, the performance of the lenses was the same as far IQ but I found that my 70-200 f2.8 my go to people lens was getting to long for studio work on the 10D body. The combo of the 24 -70 and 70 - 200 that worked so great on a FF body was no longer as balanced a pair on the crop body. Younger photogs who have started with digital will not notice the difference and will look at a 15 - 85 as a normal zoom range just as I used to see the 28 - 105, they will see the crop format and lenses as the new "normal" and take great inspiring pics. That being said I love my 5D2 for it's FF capabilities but I am an "old" guy.


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