OP, sorry you got burned, but this is just one more reason why I will never use PP gift, and why I don't use PP for any transaction over $100 or so. I've had experience where paypal has screwed me. They ruled in my favor on a purchase that I made, but said there were no funds in the seller's account. Yet a month later, I saw the same scammer selling other items (one was what I was supposed to have purchased), w/ the same paypal account. I noticed a couple of people had purchased items from him. I called paypal to inquire why, since they ruled in my favor, they hadn't refunded my money. After much discussion, forwarding of links, etc., the woman at paypal told me that the seller would have to authorize them to remove the funds from the account and refund them to me. WTF? Paypal rules in my favor, yet has to get the sellers approval to refund the money? The woman went on to say that there were no funds in the account at the time they ruled in my favor. So why did they not send the money to me as soon as more funds were in the account? She had no answer for that, and just kept parroting the line about the seller having to authorize the refund. Fortunately it was only ~$50.
There's another case where a seller scammed myself and several others out of significant amount of money (~$5000). Fortunately I was only in for $70. We all got together and filed a complaint w/ the local PD where the seller was from. They ended up arresting him for it. One of the guys and I drove to Virginia to testify. That thief is now cooling his heels in the Virginia State Penal System.
OP, I have a question for you. You said paypal has frozen the account, and that the account holder can't remove funds. Yet they will not refund anything to you. You may a paypal gift, there's no goods that are supposed to be exchanged, so there's no risk of you scamming a seller. Seems they should just refund you the money and let you send your 'gift' via another means (Western Union, USPS MO, etc.). I'm not sure what the deal is there.
Sure, paypal isn't going to do squat for you if you get scammed and are actually scamming them by using the gift option for a payment, but if the paypal account is frozen, and the account owner can't withdraw the funds, I don't see why you can't just say "She needs the money quickly, just refund it to me and I'll wire it to her." I don't see how they can hold 'gift' funds since it's just that, a gift, and not a sale. I guess this is all moot though if you've already confessed to scamming them by using the 'gift' option to pay for goods.
I really don't understand the mods position on the no negative feedback thing. They're worried about 'public lynchings', where the only real consequence is that someone may get their internet feelings hurt. And if it's really just poor communication, it will probably be sorted out in the end. But to mitigate that risk, they're willing to not allow information to be posted that can protect members here from being scammed. Yes, it is the responsibility of both parties involved in a transaction to verify who the other person is, and what they're buying / selling, but it seems to be a case of throwing the baby out w/ the bath water.
If, as the rules state, this site and the admins and mods are not involved in any transactions whatsoever, than that's what it should be, no involvement. Either no feedback whatsoever, or let things sort themselves out on their own.
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