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Thinking about an 85 L

 
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Mar 20, 2011 06:39 |  #16

Go for the 85L. Better IQ than the Sigma. Unless you can find a good copy for Sigma.


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Mar 20, 2011 12:15 |  #17

Shooting at f/1.2 is pretty cool and provide some interesting opporuntities. All that said...if you're going to spend 85L money, look at the Zeiss 100mm f/2. If you dont need 1.2 and don't mind a slightly longer lens, I think the Zeiss is superior. I'm starting to think that my 85L is on it's way out with the Zeiss taking over. OTOH, the 85L is a spectacular lens in it's own right and you are not making a 'bad' decision going with it. Figure out your needs (is 1.2 critical?) and buy from there.


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Mar 20, 2011 13:02 |  #18

LamontSanders wrote in post #12056129 (external link)
Shooting at f/1.2 is pretty cool and provide some interesting opporuntities. All that said...if you're going to spend 85L money, look at the Zeiss 100mm f/2. If you dont need 1.2 and don't mind a slightly longer lens, I think the Zeiss is superior. I'm starting to think that my 85L is on it's way out with the Zeiss taking over. OTOH, the 85L is a spectacular lens in it's own right and you are not making a 'bad' decision going with it. Figure out your needs (is 1.2 critical?) and buy from there.


Going to have to disagree... I can't see the 85L going anywhere.. MK2 version is great IMO... and I think you will see it around for many many years to come.

The Zeiss... the deal breaker for me on this lens is not having auto focus. Being full time manual is great for some and maybe the OP will dig it... I use my macro in manual all the time.. but.. trying to focus on everything else I shoot other than would be a nightmare.

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Mar 20, 2011 13:08 |  #19

I bought the 85L to use with my 5D classic specifically for portraits. I was continually frustrated with the outer focus points on the camera and the slower focus and found myself not using it. I'd thought about it for a year before making the purchase so this was giving me a kind of bitter feeling, it's horribly expensive or so I thought. I was considering selling it.

Then I got a IDMKIII and started using it again. It became a completely different experience, it's my favorite combination, I cannot imagine not being able to use that lens, I love, love, love it and yes while I do shoot a lot in the area between 1.2 and 1.6, I also shoot all of my headshot portraits with it at f8 while using strobes. This lens with this body became pure magic.


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Mar 20, 2011 13:40 |  #20

if you shoot a lot of portraiture then the 85L will be worth it. I use it significantly more often than the 70-200 2.8 IS II, the zoom pretty much sit in the bag unless i really need the flexibility.


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Mar 20, 2011 21:11 |  #21

I prefer the 70-200 f2.8 IS MK II for portraits, but I did try 2 Sigma 85 f1.4 lenses and both had to be returned for focus issues. If budget is of concern, why not try another 85 f1.8 or even the 100 f2 might be a better choice. Another one to consider is the 100 f2.8 IS L macro, which of course does macro but also makes a nice portrait lens on full frame.


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Mar 20, 2011 21:55 |  #22

From my personal observation from threads in POTN: 90% people ask Canon Vs Sigma will get a Sigma ;)

BTW, 85L II is the best Canon lens I ever own.


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Mar 21, 2011 03:44 |  #23

Just got myself an 85L, but haven't fall in love with it yet; probably I haven't shoot portraits much lately. But I had the 85 1.8 before and it was my favorite lens. It's shape, light, excellent color rendition. It's very good for it's price.

I also considered getting the sigma before I got the L, but I can't stand the feeling of having the 2nd best and always wonder what the 85L would be like. Also, having the sigma 30 and the 50 before, I like the color rendition of the Canon's; and I don't want to worry about focusing issue.

So, get the 1.8 if money is tight. Or, get the 135L (my absolutely favorite); apparently the bokeh is just as good as 85 @ 1.2


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Mar 21, 2011 05:06 |  #24

I'm not sure if the 85L is the best. If you're shooting a lot of candids the extra DoF and AF speed of the Sigma can be a significant advantage, and for low-light it's only about .1 stops slower after you account for lens transmittance. It's also a lot less prone to the LoCA and CA that plague wide-open 1.2L shots.


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Mar 21, 2011 06:09 |  #25

Sp1207 wrote in post #12060926 (external link)
I'm not sure if the 85L is the best. If you're shooting a lot of candids the extra DoF and AF speed of the Sigma can be a significant advantage, and for low-light it's only about .1 stops slower after you account for lens transmittance. It's also a lot less prone to the LoCA and CA that plague wide-open 1.2L shots.

Interesting assertion about lens transmittance - do you have any test results showing that the difference is 0.1 stop? Because the f/stop difference is between 0.33 and 0.5 stops. Compared to 0.1 stops that is a big difference!


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Mar 21, 2011 06:48 |  #26

Does anyone know if there's an appreciable difference in IQ if all the lenses shoot at the same aperture?


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Mar 21, 2011 06:57 |  #27

JoYork wrote in post #12061116 (external link)
Does anyone know if there's an appreciable difference in IQ if all the lenses shoot at the same aperture?

And which one has more smooth bokeh.


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Mar 21, 2011 07:14 |  #28

I've owned the 85 1.8 and own the 85L. I also had the Sigma 85 for about 2 weeks before I returned it.

All three give you very good image quality. The 85L is the sharpest of the bunch. The 85L has the best color and micro-contrast of the bunch. The 85L does have its weaknesses though. It moves a bunch of glass, so AF is slower than the other 2. Lots of CA wide open.

I have just had horrible luck with Sigma lenses. I happen to live within an hours drive to Sigma on Long Island. I took the 85 1.4 twice to get calibrated. Keep in mind that I shoot a 5D2, which has MA. First time, they had to replace the AF mechanism. Since that wasn't a "do it while you wait" procedure, they shipped it to me, and the lens was pillow soft. Took it to get calibrated to my 5D2 and they said something must be wrong with my camera. I simply took the lens and shipped it back to Amazon when I got home.

I know there are great copies out there, and there is a huge price difference, but I often find myself shooting at f/1.2 with the lens and have never not been wowed by the images.


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Mar 21, 2011 08:40 |  #29

For one, the 85L compared to the Sigma 30mm I had can focus and lock intye darkest of light, and be correctly focused. I am talking f/1.2 at ISO 12800 at only 1/100... No problem for the 85L... Sigma stood no chance.

Not sure if the Sig 85 is any better.


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Mar 21, 2011 09:49 |  #30

I'm a fan of the 85 L and it never disappoints once you get used to the lens. I would try to rent these lenses to get a feel for them before plunging in :)




  
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