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Mar 22, 2011 11:28 |  #46

hollis_f wrote in post #12067771 (external link)
Version 1.7 is no longer available .

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's still available...




  
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Mar 22, 2011 17:19 |  #47

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's still available...

Well, yes. It's available illegally. I thought it was against the forum rules to discuss methods for obtaining illegal software.


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Mar 22, 2011 18:16 |  #48

hollis_f wrote in post #12071756 (external link)
Well, yes. It's available illegally. I thought it was against the forum rules to discuss methods for obtaining illegal software.

I found out about it on this forum. Nobody said anything about it being illegal until today.




  
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Mar 23, 2011 23:17 |  #49

hollis_f wrote in post #12067771 (external link)
Version 1.7 is no longer available and anybody distributing it is breaking their license agreement. Just pay up for the proper version, it's worth it.

That's incorrect. If the "freeware" version is still available online then it's not illegal since it was originally offered at no charge. This software was advertised all over the web as "freeware" so if the author never updated his own ads on other web sites then it's not illegal to use his older software. If newer versions aren't free then yes, it would be illegal to use those versions without a license key. Look at the history of this software - first the author advertised this as "freeware". Then he changes it to "donationware" while seeking what ever amount the user wanted to voluntarily donate, and then later decided on newer versions to go "commercial". Apparently he never got enough donations.




  
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Mar 24, 2011 02:38 |  #50

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That's incorrect. If the "freeware" version is still available online then it's not illegal since it was originally offered at no charge.

But the authors included conditions on the use of the free version, one of which was to forbid redistribution.

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if the author never updated his own ads on other web sites then it's not illegal to use his older software.

The original software was only available from one site. Those other sites are not the author's 'ads', they are illegal distributors who downloaded the software from the original site and ignored the license restriction against redistribution.


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Mar 24, 2011 08:30 |  #51

hollis_f wrote in post #12081711 (external link)
The original software was only available from one site. Those other sites are not the author's 'ads', they are illegal distributors who downloaded the software from the original site and ignored the license restriction against redistribution.

This program is available on a variety of web sites because the author had to submit it himself. For an example - to get software on CNET the author had to submit it himself. At such time the author granted CNET the expressed permission to "freely" redistribute the product to all of CNET's affiliate download sites as part of their free promotion service.

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Mar 24, 2011 08:38 |  #52

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This program is available on a variety of web sites because the author had to submit it himself.

Or somebody else could submit it? How stringent are their checks?

I know for a fact that at least one of these major distribution sites was allowing downloads of the free version without the author's knowledge. The download link on that site now redirects to the authors site.


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Mar 24, 2011 11:09 as a reply to  @ hollis_f's post |  #53

This software was brought to everyone's attention in a thread dated January 13 on this forum. (The thread was deleted yesterday.) The fact that 1.70 was free and newer versions weren't was discussed. How to find the free version was discussed. Illegality was never discussed. You were a participant in that thread, hollis_f. If you had shared all this info at that time, this discussion wouldn't even be going on, and I wouldn't be accused of promoting distribution of illegal software.




  
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Mar 24, 2011 11:18 |  #54

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Mar 24, 2011 11:23 |  #55

hollis_f wrote in post #12082578 (external link)
Or somebody else could submit it? How stringent are their checks?

I know for a fact that at least one of these major distribution sites was allowing downloads of the free version without the author's knowledge. The download link on that site now redirects to the authors site.

I really don't see what benefit it would be for someone else to spend their time submitting some software author's "freeware" to hundreds of web sites. No one is that eager to share what they find with others! :lol: CNET is one of many legitimate download sites available around the world that authors can use for free promotion of their "non-commercial" software.

Nonetheless, it's up to the author to monitor their own product online and to update their submissions accordingly to contain accurate information. Keeping the product listed as "freeware" on hundreds of download sites is deceptive advertising since that product is no longer "free".




  
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