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Zeiss 50 or 85 for my 5DII?

 
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Apr 04, 2011 22:39 |  #31

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Looks like we all have the old ones which might be a good thing if like you say the revision created another problem possibly associated with IQ performance.

Mine definitely looks like the one on the right in that link photo more then the middle or left with the higher serial numbers.

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The 'cost' I was referring to was simply financial. As far as I know, all of the changes were for the better (aside from the price.)


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Apr 04, 2011 22:49 as a reply to  @ bjolly's post |  #32

10-4 ! Then we have the old versions but the one i have definitely takes some nice pics even wide open but i do agree the bokeh & blurring leaves a little to be desired since it is pretty nervous. :lol:


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Apr 04, 2011 23:06 |  #33

If you always have a hood attached the difference in results 'tween some single coated lenses and their MC version can be very small.


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Apr 04, 2011 23:13 |  #34

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10-4 ! Then we have the old versions but the one i have definitely takes some nice pics even wide open but i do agree the bokeh & blurring leaves a little to be desired since it is pretty nervous. :lol:

Man, I want to love the lens, but I just did another test against the cheap Canon 50mm 1.8 ii and the Sigma 50mm 2.8 macro, and both the Canon and the Sigma out performed the old Zeiss, especially so in the contrast department. =/


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Apr 04, 2011 23:47 |  #35

thanks denior for the very helpful demonstration. the "can't take a bad shot even if you try" comment is pretty darn tempting!


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Apr 05, 2011 04:14 |  #36

Thanks for your input guy's. I have a lot to learn about Zeiss lenses and will look into this. The reason for 50 or 85 was simply because I was looking for a portrait lens.


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Apr 05, 2011 04:18 |  #37

I have the Zeiss 85/1.4 and 50/1.4 and 1,7 - all in C/Y mount.

I can second gasrocks comments regarding that lens:
I like the Zeiss 85 very much - as long as I donĀ“t photograph close ups ~ full open. And as long as I have no specular highlights in the background and stopped down lens between 1.4 and ~5.6 - the zig-zag iris on my AE version ist pretty bad. MM version and modern ZE/ZF should be better

Because of these downsides I now have bought and converted a Canon FD 85mm f/1.2L, much better in this regards.

But even with the lower image quality in the close up distance the Zeiss 85/1.4 could make such images:

IMAGE: http://www.4photos.de/galerie/Natur/slides/Tulpe.jpg

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And stopped down and a bit more distance its great:

IMAGE: http://www.4photos.de/galerie/Natur/slides/Kalenderbild-SW-11.jpg

From my short tests, and what I read on the internet, the Zeiss ZE/ZF 100/2.0 Macro seems to be absolutly a great lens.

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Apr 05, 2011 06:46 |  #38

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Man, I want to love the lens, but I just did another test against the cheap Canon 50mm 1.8 ii and the Sigma 50mm 2.8 macro, and both the Canon and the Sigma out performed the old Zeiss, especially so in the contrast department. =/

I'm not a fan of 50mm on a FF but I did pick up a CZ 50/1.7 and, I must say, I am impressed with the IQ. Still, I have nothing to compare to, being my 1 and only 50mm.

I haven't tried it on a newly acquired 7D, where the focal length would work much better for me.

My CZ 28/2.8 is nothing special, imo. I thought it was until I ran some outdoor tests against the lowly Tamron 28-75 and was shocked at the results at f8 where I would usually use this lens.

My conclusion, based on a tiny sample, is that not all Zeiss lenses are best in class, depending on their usage.


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Apr 05, 2011 08:40 |  #39

Not all lenses from any brand are best in class. Zeiss has its better ones, so does Leica.


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Apr 05, 2011 11:23 |  #40

gasrocks wrote in post #12161647 (external link)
Not all lenses from any brand are best in class. Zeiss has its better ones, so does Leica.

I think it's important that people realize this.


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Apr 05, 2011 11:33 |  #41

I should have added and not Canon or Nikon either. Love those threads where some one asks if Tamron are any good.


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Apr 05, 2011 13:21 |  #42

85/1.4 is a great lens. the bokeh is much more pleasing than the 85l.


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Apr 05, 2011 13:22 |  #43

I can tell that few here have ever shot with a Leica R 80/1.4


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Apr 05, 2011 13:35 |  #44

gasrocks wrote in post #12161647 (external link)
Not all lenses from any brand are best in class. Zeiss has its better ones, so does Leica.

Yes, but it's also worth considering that "best" is a very relative term. In cases of Zeiss and in my experience Minolta it's very difficult as they often leave optical aberrations to get a certain effect. Most modern lens designs are a search for optical perfection within a target cost (as sharp as possible at all apertures and as well-corrected for all optical aberrations as possible), but there are exceptions and modern Zeiss lenses often belong to that group.

I would be hunted down and killed by Leica aficionados if they heard me say this but I have a sneaking suspicion that a Canon designed lens would be nearly indistinguishable from a Leica lens if Canon would have as high price target for their lenses as Leica. Both seek to come as close as possible to the theoretical optimum in lens performance. The fact that Leica lenses are miles ahead by any metric is because their production costs are much higher due to the use of very expensive exotic glass.

If you asked if the Leica 50 Summilux ASPH was a better lens than the 50L, then the answer would be a simple yes. If you on the other hand asked if the Leica was better than the 50 Planar, it would be like asking "is an elephant better than a giraffe"? If we're talking raw optical performance, then both the Leica and the Canon are superior. The point of the Planar is however not trivial stuff like sharpness but a unique drawing style that can't be replicated by any other lens.

As I said, I would not recommend one of the Planars as a first Zeiss lens but that doesn't mean it's no good. I would not recommend an elephant as a pet, but that doesn't mean that it's a boring animal :)


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Apr 05, 2011 14:23 |  #45

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I would not recommend an elephant as a pet, but that doesn't mean that it's a boring animal :)


:lol::lol: ^^^

Luka,

I like your analogy but it would get boring pretty quick cleaning up after it !

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