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Trade 70-200 for 100-400 or similiar for Yellowstone?

 
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Apr 08, 2011 08:01 |  #1

Planning a trip out to Yellowstone in a couple of months. Considering trading my 70-200 2.8/is for either a 100-400 or one of the Sigmas(50-500, 150-500 or 120-400). Thoughts. I shoot a little of everything and alot of sports, but mainly use my 300/2.8 for that. I know I could add my 1.4 tc to the 300, but that would be very heavy to carry all day, since I would have to have a few more lens to go with it. With a large/long zoom, I'm thinking just take it and a couple smaller lens in a small bag.

I will miss the 70-200 and could consider an older 50-500 if could find one and not have to sell, but I find I rarely use the 70-200 as I like primes a little more and find the 85 works great for portaits.

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Apr 08, 2011 13:02 |  #2

Any thoughts?


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Apr 08, 2011 13:30 as a reply to  @ packpe89's post |  #3

how about renting 100-400mm or try 1.4, 2x extender on your 70-200mm?


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Apr 08, 2011 14:51 |  #4

Wait a second....when I read you had a 300 2.8 I did a double take. The answer to all your questions is "no". Keep your 70-200 and bring your 300 2.8. If you want to hike, bring a tc for your 70-200.

If you're trying to go "minimalist" on your trip, bring the 300, tc, 10-20 and 18-50.

The 300 2.8 is a perfect Yellowstone lens. You'll be able to capture many of the animals at dawn when they are less spooked and come closer. When morning fades, switch to a TC.


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Apr 08, 2011 16:27 as a reply to  @ Mike55's post |  #5

I understand the weight issue with your 300mm, but I know I'd hate myself if I were to go to Yellowstone with something like 100-400mm knowing that I have 300mm f/2.8 sitting at home.


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Apr 08, 2011 21:29 |  #6

I spent a little over two weeks in Yellowstone and Grand Teton last summer. I was carrying a 30 lb backpack full of gear most of the time. I used my 100-400 a lot. It was my go-to lens and was hanging around my neck all the time. But of course I wanted wider stuff for landscapes, waterfalls, etc.

But my experience was that while hiking I didn't really ever need a long lens. If you're close enough to a bear that the 100-400 gets you a good shot, you should think about getting the hell out of there. (When you're hiking) On the other hand, I got lots of shots of bears from the safety of my rental car using a 24-105.

My understanding is that wolf sitings are very rare. (we didn't see one and the rangers said nobody had during the time I was there) You might see one, but the odds are so small it's not worth carrying a long lens.

Early in the morning we saw lots of bison hanging out, steaming in the morning light. Amazing. And easy to shoot with a 300mm lens from your car. Stay in the car, they kill more people than bears. In those situations I could easily steady the lens on the car and use a longer shutter speed. The calves where just hanging around nursing, not a lot of fast action.

There were a couple of times on hikes that I spotted a bird or two and the 100-400 was helpful. But it was heavy to carry all day, and that 300 of yours is double that. so... leave it in the car. You probably won't miss it on a hike.

That's what I think. Taking something wide for the landscapes, geysers, hot pools and waterfalls. Something midrange for the wildlife as seen from the safety of your car, and the tele extender for when you want to get a little closer. The 300mm can stay in the car for when you drive by a moose or bear.

And don't forget to relax and enjoy the trip. :)




  
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Apr 09, 2011 06:16 as a reply to  @ MCB's post |  #7

I was at Yellowstone in the late summer of 2010 and DID get lucky and see wolves ... as many as three, together on an elk carcass, twice during one day (west of the road from Norris Junction to Mammoth). I hated having to cart that 100-400 everywhere, but without it, I wouldn't have any shots at all (I used a 1.4X on the 100-400 and shot Live View off a tripod).


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Apr 09, 2011 07:49 |  #8

Hmm if you've any money to put toward it you could consider selling your 70-200mm f2.8 IS L and buying the new 70-200mm f2.8 IS L M2 and putting a 2*TC (MII work well) onto it. You then have a 140-400mm lens that is pretty much on par with the 100-400mm in terms of image quality, but you get to keep a really outstanding 70-200mm lens to use as well.


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Apr 11, 2011 11:24 |  #9

Instead of trading in - how about renting the 100-400L? What are you planning on doing with it AFTER your trip to Yellowstone?

That said, the 100-400mm is a fine wildlife lens IF the light is good.


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Apr 16, 2011 20:11 |  #10

Problem with renting is we'll ber gone for a few weeks and renting for that long would cost falf as much as one of the alternatives (sigmas).


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Apr 17, 2011 00:04 |  #11

Bring your 300 2.8 and the 1.4TC.




  
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Apr 18, 2011 07:36 |  #12

Plan to, but don't want to have to carry that all the time.


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Apr 18, 2011 14:46 |  #13

Most of the wildlife you will encounter while driving around, not hiking, so your 300mm f/2.8 w/ TC might not be the inconvenience you anticipate. That would certainly be a great combination for dawn/dusk shots, when you tend to see a lot of wildlife.

For wolves, you can never have enough reach. For our last trip, I had a 70-300mm IS on a crop body, and felt extremely fortunate to get these shots. Every other sighting was so far away that you could only see the wolves well via a spotting scope.

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On the other hand, you may encounter some wildlife so close while hiking that a standard focal length works. I shot this with my 17-55mm while hiking near the top of Mount Washburn:

IMAGE: http://smerryfield.smugmug.com/Vacation/Yellowstone-National-Park-2007/IMG2961/184686554_3obyC-M.jpg

I purchased a 100-400mm for our trip to Yellowstone this summer, but it was as much for the step up in image quality as for the extra reach over my old 70-300mm -- which I sold a few years ago when I purchased the 70-200mm f/4 IS.

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Apr 20, 2011 17:01 |  #14

I go to Yellowstone just about every year. I had been using a 100-400L and it was superb. Believe it or not, you can't have enough reach at Yellowstone. The thing about Yellowstone is you see more driving around and covering more ground than you will parked somewhere or hiking. So the 300 2.8 is perfect for this scenario. I would add the 1.4x or 2.0x though. Keep that on one body and the 70-200 on the other.

I recently sold my 100-400L for the 70-200 II and 1.4x. No opinion yet as I haven't got to shoot it yet. But if I only planned to have the 70-200, no way would I have parted with the 100-400L. But I will be going with the 300 2.8 in the future just for applications like this. You've got the ideal setup, if not short with the 300.

The last time I was there I had a 24-105 on a 5d2 and the 100-400L on my 7D. Loved that setup. I'm switching things up right now and plan to run around with a 5d with the 70-200II and the 300 2.8 on a 50D the next time I'm out. I will switch a 17-40L on the 5d for waterfalls and landscape, which don't run off on you. So you have time to make the switch.

Another cool thing is I got the cotton carrier which will allow you to hold 2 bodys with ease. But what I really like about it is you can hike around even with a long lens and not hardly notice the weight. I bet you could hike with the 300 2.8 that way and not be too burdened by it.


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