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Apr 14, 2011 13:28 |  #16

Regarding image quality, a P&S can get very nice looking pictures under ideal conditions. Its when the conditions are not ideal that they struggle while a DSLR with a competent photographer can still get the shot. I don't see that changing any time soon.




  
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Apr 14, 2011 13:29 |  #17

mike_d wrote in post #12221612 (external link)
But it would have a non-removable battery, a fixed lens, and only one button.

Which would make it...a disposable camera?


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Apr 14, 2011 13:29 |  #18

i think part of what's creating a bubble is the fact that P&S image quality is still pretty poor to satisfy a significant market category, that's why a lot of P&S shooters went DSLR. that won't be the case in the future.

yes, of course there's a real sizeable market for DSLR, but i think the long term market for DSLR is probably smaller than it is today, as future P&S eat into the marketshare of future DSLRs.


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Apr 14, 2011 13:30 |  #19

mike_d wrote in post #12221697 (external link)
Because part of being a DSLR is giving the photographer complete control over the process.

I get what your saying. :D Pro photographers would never use or consider it one and Apple would probably call it nano-iDSLR or mini-iDSLR but in the most elemental sense it could be a DSLR. ;)


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Apr 14, 2011 13:33 |  #20

Or maybe people will little skill and no post processing ability will begin to realize there in no point in going to the added expense of a DSLR.
They can take better pictures with the P&S they already have.


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Apr 14, 2011 13:34 |  #21

My biggest complaint against P&S cameras is the shutter lag. Ever try to shoot kids or pets with one? You'll get a picture of where something interesting was a couple of seconds ago. If they can fix that, a lot of current DSLR owners would probably ditch their kit.




  
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Apr 14, 2011 13:36 |  #22

Can't see why it won't last. Everyone in my city seems to be toiking around a D-SLR with a kit lens when they feel even mildly serious about photography.

If anything the camera market has grown in tandem with iJunk. People are spending far, far more on various, mostly unnecessary, electronic gadgets for entertainment than before; people nowadays have features on their smartphones they will never need or use, the same as if they had a DSLR, but own it mainly because the product makes a statement.


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Apr 14, 2011 13:54 |  #23

I have had several DSLRs, and recently bought a canon sx130IS. The image quality of the 130is isn't worse than I was expecting. What makes it frustrating to use is the slow focus speeds and acquisition, terribly shutter lag, etc.


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Apr 14, 2011 15:43 |  #24

Given that the vast majority of DSLR users I see have it permamently stuck in the Green Box mode, I would expect them to move back to the newer point and shoot offerings. I think that the only carrot that keeps them with the DSLR is the shutter lag on Point and Shoot models. Given that the newer P&S models have much less lag than before I could see a shift at some point.




  
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Apr 14, 2011 16:10 |  #25

As I implied above, I think there is much more to the DSLR v P&S market segmentation than any one thing. Film-based P&S had very little shutter lag, had FF or APS sensors (35mm or APS film), etc., and SLRs have had fully auto modes for years. Higher quality images have always been the SLRs advantage over P&S and it comes from many factors. In the film days, it was higher quality and faster lenses. And, for those that wanted, full control. In the digital world, those remain with the addition of larger sensors and faster camera performance (e.g. shutter lag). Sure, some of the DSLR market is driven by status, just as there are people moving back from DSLRs to P&S due to convenience. I don't see the DSLR market going away any time soon.


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Apr 14, 2011 16:16 |  #26

RTPVid wrote in post #12222790 (external link)
I don't see the DSLR market going away any time soon.

by bubble i don't mean the market going away. i mean the DSLR market being smaller than it is now in the future.


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Apr 14, 2011 16:23 |  #27

banpreso wrote in post #12222816 (external link)
by bubble i don't mean the market going away. i mean the DSLR market being smaller than it is now in the future.

And by DSLR market, I didn't just mean the pro market. Maybe it will get smaller, but it is more likely IMO that the P&S market will get significantly smaller due to camera phones (smart phones are already drastically shrinking the MP3 player and portable game player markets) than P&S threatening the amateur DSLR market. IMO, the threat to low end DSLRs is more likely to come from advanced ideas such as the EVIL style, where you can get fast lenses with large optics, fast camera electronics, large sensors, etc., in a smaller package because you no longer have the penta (prism/mirror) viewfinder and swinging mirror box to make room for.


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Apr 14, 2011 18:31 |  #28

I can see DSLR taking a decline, but not because of P&S camera improving. I see them taking a decline because of technologies like Sony's translucent mirror getting better.
I honestly wont be surprised if Canon begins to migrate the Rebel line to a smaller body camera with an EF/EF-s mount that doesn't have a mirror box.
With the way things are improving having good AF when using the live view I suspect will become the "bottom" end of the DSLR market.


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Apr 14, 2011 18:58 |  #29

I'd say the more interesting developments are the 4:3 systems and the EVIL systems smaller/lightweight cameras that use bigger-than-P&S sensors and also have interchangable lenses are drawing some DSLR shooter in their direction and I'd imagine a lot of people who are looking to move up from a P&S are finding these attractive.

But, for "serious hobby" people, I doubt there will be a big dent in the DSLR market. None of these developments are new -- the introduction of the film APS kits was supposedly a big useful thing for photographers but died a pretty quick death because it just didn't meet the standards of serious hobbyist and professional 35mm shooters. SLRs have an ongoing market because they fill that important place of performance and quality between "consumer" and medium format shooting. I don't see that going away soon.


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Apr 14, 2011 19:26 |  #30

If they can get follow focus to work, DSLRs will expand into the camcorder market.


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