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Apr 24, 2011 08:43 |  #1

Just looking to the knowledge of the members here-
I have Adobe CS3 suite and therefore Camera RAW 4.6. From what I have read the 7D needs at least 5.6 to work.
Any suggestions or work arounds to get the 7D's RAW files to work in CS3? Or is the only choice to update the Adobe package?
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Apr 24, 2011 08:46 |  #2

You could run the pics through DPP and convert. As far as Adobe, buying a copy of Elements may be cheaper than the CS upgrade.


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Apr 24, 2011 08:54 |  #3

One option is to download the free Adobe DNG Converter; convert your files to DNG format and then process in CS3: http://www.adobe.com/p​roducts/dng/ (external link)

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Just looking to the knowledge of the members here-
I have Adobe CS3 suite and therefore Camera RAW 4.6. From what I have read the 7D needs at least 5.6 to work.
Any suggestions or work arounds to get the 7D's RAW files to work in CS3? Or is the only choice to update the Adobe package?
Thanks in advance.


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Apr 24, 2011 10:07 |  #4

It's one of the biggest BS things that Adobe does, not supporting new hardware for previous versions of Photoshop with a simple patch. It has to be something I really hate about Adobe, I hope someday someone makes a product to rival Photoshop so we have better options.

As for their "fix" of converting images to the DNG format is also crap, an extra step to processing just because they are lazy about supporting previous versions of Photoshop. A company that has a monopoly on this kind of thing is crap, we need competition.


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Apr 24, 2011 10:31 |  #5

No one is forcing you to buy new hardware...and Canon provides software tools so ou don't even have to use Adobe products.

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It's one of the biggest BS things that Adobe does, not supporting new hardware for previous versions of Photoshop with a simple patch. It has to be something I really hate about Adobe, I hope someday someone makes a product to rival Photoshop so we have better options.

As for their "fix" of converting images to the DNG format is also crap, an extra step to processing just because they are lazy about supporting previous versions of Photoshop. A company that has a monopoly on this kind of thing is crap, we need competition.


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Apr 24, 2011 12:44 |  #6

Realize that Canon introduces "changes" to their Raw format that makes them incompatible with existing software.

Canon works on their Raw processing software, Digital Photo Professional (DPP), and releases a new version on disk with your camera that actually does a nice job of processing and converting your Raw files.

Other third-party vendors have to wait until they receive a camera, and then reverse-engineer things to be able to properly render the Raw data into a usable image format.

Adobe does this on an ongoing basis -- they update Camera Raw every three months or so. But, when they roll out a new version of CSx, they move support into that version, and stop supporting previous versions. Complain if you wish, but they are "in business"...

But they did release the DNG format, which is how you can convert a Raw file to be compatible with earlier Raw processors. You get the converter which is compatible with your camera and you set it to be compatible with Camera Raw 4.6, and you are off and running.

So, in a nutshell:

You can convert to DNG and use CS3.

You can use DPP to process the Raw and then transfer to Photoshop if/when needed

You can use a third-party software, such as Lightroom or others to handle your Raw processing (Lightroom also handles much more) and use Photoshop as needed

Or, of course, you can update to Photoshop CS5 -- there are some nice features in there, but at a price:)!


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Apr 24, 2011 15:25 |  #7

Thanks for all the input!
Might give the DPP a try since I am only working with a few files currently.
But will need to look into another solution for the future.
It really does stink that Adobe does not allow for a simple patch to allow newer hardware to work with older products but that is a way to drive sales.


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Apr 24, 2011 17:23 |  #8

Well, I'm not interested in being an "Adobe defender", but as someone who did software development as a career, I can certainly understand why the developers choose not to go back and re-program software that is several years old. In fact, I'd say the DNG converter is quit a nice "patch". You do one extra step on your batch of photos, and then they are compatible. To me that doesn't "stink" at all:)!


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Apr 24, 2011 17:31 |  #9

wizard13 wrote in post #12284300 (external link)
but that is a way to drive sales.

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Well, I'm not interested in being an "Adobe defender"

Me either, but if they really wanted to drive sales they would not offer the free dng converter which is being updated as newer cameras hit the market.


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Apr 24, 2011 18:25 |  #10

I used to blame Adobe thinking it was just their ploy to get you to upgrade to newer versions of PS. But now I blame the camera makers for continuously changing the format of their raw files so that newer cameras don't work with existing 3rd party software.


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Apr 24, 2011 18:34 |  #11

But it's not just the format of the raw file... Adobe does color profiles etc for each new camera.




  
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Apr 24, 2011 20:42 |  #12

Since it has come up why does the RAW format keep changing so things are not backwards compatible?


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Apr 25, 2011 06:54 as a reply to  @ wizard13's post |  #13

Ok, so I install the dng and then what?




  
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Apr 25, 2011 07:03 |  #14

You install thelatest version (6.3) (external link) of the DNG converter, then convert the CR2 files to DNG & open the DNG files in whatever version ACR you want.

IMO, DPP is a better raw converter then ACR 4.6.
If you want the added features of ACR6, you'd need to upgrade to PSCS5 or buy LR3.


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Apr 25, 2011 10:25 |  #15

I see people frequently claiming that Adobe's policies are driven strictly to generate new sales but when challenged they can never explain how Adobe should backfit new features like Content Aware fill and Healing, Puppet Warp, the new Quick Selection brush, Lens Correction, etc. into the old versions of Photoshop.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention but I don't know of a single commercial software developer that adds new features to older versions of their software that they no longer supported. They may add security updates and patches, and Adobe does this too, but they certainly don't retrofit new features into the old programs.

Its more likely if you're buying custom software to fit specific needs but not with commercially available software.

tonylong wrote in post #12284784 (external link)
Well, I'm not interested in being an "Adobe defender", but as someone who did software development as a career, I can certainly understand why the developers choose not to go back and re-program software that is several years old. In fact, I'd say the DNG converter is quit a nice "patch". You do one extra step on your batch of photos, and then they are compatible. To me that doesn't "stink" at all:)!

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Me either, but if they really wanted to drive sales they would not offer the free dng converter which is being updated as newer cameras hit the market.

Sorarse wrote in post #12285041 (external link)
I used to blame Adobe thinking it was just their ploy to get you to upgrade to newer versions of PS. But now I blame the camera makers for continuously changing the format of their raw files so that newer cameras don't work with existing 3rd party software.


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