Interesting mistake my wife just made ...

dissident wrote in post #12322305
yeah I don't know if I'd like it either, but hey that's how coin dealers and car salesmen work. Probably why I couldn't be one of them... screwing people over and over again for my own benefit. No way I could sleep at night charging people full MSRP for new cars and such. But hey, they agreed to pay, it's the way the world works.

Why would selling an item for the clearly marked price be considered "screwing" someone?

Obviously any retail item could be have been sold for less than whatever it sold, even below price--that's not "screwing" anyone. With car sales, some days you make more, some days you make less, some days you make nothing at all (but the bills accrue every day anyway).

"Oh, wow. I feel so bad. I sold that car for the sticker price. I could have sold it for less."

Unfortunately, the bank didn't think the same way when it gave me the interest rate for my mortgage.

Maybe I'll go on a job interview and if the employer offers me $50,000 a year, I'll tell him I don't want to screw him--he can just pay me $30,000.

Wow! some comments are so "moral" they are laughable! I trawl the internet for the best bargains. To think someone would do a search to find the most expensive item so as not to screw someone.......

Not trying to be moral or preachy here. As long as both parties are happy it's not really a big deal. We all try to get the best price! If you're not going into a negotiation prepared, it's your own fault for your ignorance too. I'm always prepared for the best deal, I admit. You have to be.. unless you plan to pay MSRP and get the 'rustproofing' package for 1500 bucks.

It could be possible the old lady bought it for a good price and is just selling it at what she thinks is fair.

pixel_junkie wrote in post #12322346
Like I said, this is for my wife's sister. I emailed her last night and asked her to research it and look at samples and let me know if she wants us to keep this one for her or sell it and get what she originally wanted. Looks like she loves everything about it so we're taking it to her in couple of weeks.

I tried looking at samples and it looks fine but I can't tell if it is better than the cheaper 70-300. Looks about the same, pretty good overall. It is smaller by almost half and it is weather sealed so it is still pretty sweet.

As long as she is happy, we're happy. I wouldn't keep it for myself, I'm so used to the quality of my primes that anything else looks like it was shot through a plastic bag.

Some people complain about the bokeh of the DO lens vs the non-DO. The DO has a non-rotating front element whereas the non-DO rotates.

If you decide to sell it, PM me. I might be interested in it (although due to my schedule this next week, I might not be able to do a deal until the week of the 7th). I could do a trade for my non-DO plus cash from me. I've always been somewhat interested in the DO, but not at the normally high price-point.

I actually really wanted this lens 2 years ago. At times it was selling on CL for $550-800. It didn't hold it's value like L lenses for some reason. Other times, I couldn't find it under $1000. I wanted a non-rotating front element as well FTM. At the time, I didn't want a white lens either. Another plus was the weight and length. You wouldn't have problems bringing the lens into events that used the pen test. The only real bad thing is the donuts and it's a tiny bit slower than the IS version on the wider end. I ended up deciding to save for a 70-200 2.8 IS.

These comments I find interesting:

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Then the decision is do you want to take advantage of an old lady or not? Me personally? Not sure in this one (have to have been there) but I really don't like taking unfair advantage of anyone in a sale especially the elderly. (BTW, I'm in sales for a living.)

J.

JohnJ80 wrote in post #12325177
... Then the decision is do you want to take advantage of an old lady or not? ...

+1

I'm just amazed that anyone would even consider bragging about this "conquest" and then insult an overseas relative by assuming that they are going to be equally eager to share in the gain.

There's a difference between tricking someone and getting a good deal. If your wife had unknowingly come back with a coffee mug instead of a lens would you still be so good natured about the mistake?

And, even if you have no consideration for karma (and right before an overseas flight :confused is your self image really worth less than the cost of a good meal? A quick phone call to the seller sets everything straight.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Man to woman: "Would you sleep with me for one million dollars?"
Woman: "Sure."
Man: "How about for ten dollars?"
Woman: "What do you think I am?"
Man: "We've already established what you are. All we're doing is bargaining about price."

(No, I'm not perfect. But I do listen to my friends when they tell me to take another look at my actions.)

"Quick Robin! Bring me my armour of Self-Righteousness™!"

cacawcacaw wrote in post #12325320
+1

I'm just amazed that anyone would even consider bragging about this "conquest" and then insult an overseas relative by assuming that they are going to be equally eager to share in the gain.

There's a difference between tricking someone and getting a good deal. If your wife had unknowingly come back with a coffee mug instead of a lens would you still be so good natured about the mistake?

And, even if you have no consideration for karma (and right before an overseas flight :confused is your self image really worth less than the cost of a good meal? A quick phone call to the seller sets everything straight.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Man to woman: "Would you sleep with me for one million dollars?"
Woman: "Sure."
Man: "How about for ten dollars?"
Woman: "What do you think I am?"
Man: "We've already established what you are. All we're doing is bargaining about price."

(No, I'm not perfect. But I do listen to my friends when they tell me to take another look at my actions.)

Here's another case, what if the the initial agreement was to buy the more expensive DO lens and the other cheaper version was received instead - also a mistake. Then what?

J.

pilsburypie wrote in post #12323126
Wow! some comments are so "moral" they are laughable! I trawl the internet for the best bargains. To think someone would do a search to find the most expensive item so as not to screw someone.......

Agreed.

The fact that there can even be a "moral" discussion about a deal someone found online is a joke.

Seriously, if the old lady asked, "what do you think its worth?" or "pay me what you think its worth" and you gave her $450 for a $1350 (new) lens, then yeah, I can see how that's unfair and unmoral.

But clearly that is not what happened. The lady asked for a price, he paid it, they were both happy, what is the issue?

JohnJ80 wrote in post #12326725
Here's another case, what if the the initial agreement was to buy the more expensive DO lens and the other cheaper version was received instead - also a mistake. Then what?

J.

thats a pretty big assumption to make.. how does anyone know that there was even a mistake

what would you do in this case?

http://www.thesun.co.u​k …lls-husbands-Porsche.html

summary: wife sells husband's 70,000gbp Porsche in classified ads for 50gbp

how do you know this is not a similar case? that's right, you, me, none of us know.. what we do know is the lady advertised the lens for $450 and she got $450.

cacawcacaw wrote in post #12325320
+1

I'm just amazed that anyone would even consider bragging about this "conquest" and then insult an overseas relative by assuming that they are going to be equally eager to share in the gain.

There's a difference between tricking someone and getting a good deal. If your wife had unknowingly come back with a coffee mug instead of a lens would you still be so good natured about the mistake?

And, even if you have no consideration for karma (and right before an overseas flight :confused is your self image really worth less than the cost of a good meal? A quick phone call to the seller sets everything straight.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Man to woman: "Would you sleep with me for one million dollars?"
Woman: "Sure."
Man: "How about for ten dollars?"
Woman: "What do you think I am?"
Man: "We've already established what you are. All we're doing is bargaining about price."

(No, I'm not perfect. But I do listen to my friends when they tell me to take another look at my actions.)

JohnJ80 wrote in post #12326725
Here's another case, what if the the initial agreement was to buy the more expensive DO lens and the other cheaper version was received instead - also a mistake. Then what?

J.

So when you two go out to a yard sale or a store (any store) and find something that you consider a good deal, a bargain and you walk away with it happy because what you got in your mind is a "good deal", what do you guys do? PANIC because you may have screwed the seller and immediately run back to offer more money or?

If you can't see how ridiculous your statements are, I'm not going to try to argue with you, but they are ridiculous. Every person out there is trying to find a good deal on stuff, and when we do, what? According to you we should walk away from it because it is "the right thing to do".

That lady has my number, if she called and cried about how she made a mistake with the lens, I would have happily returned it for a full refund, but she has not. Obviously she is happy with the deal and that is all that matters. I don't feel guilty about anything because I've played by her rules all along so I have not done anything wrong.

I'm supposed to call the seller and ask if she wants more money for the lens?! Are you listening to yourself CACAWCACAW? "Maam, you undercharged me for your lens, can we meet again so I can give you $200"? Who does that, you? What planet do you live on, buddy?

I know a bit about bikes and one time saw a bike listed for $200 that could have easily sold for $600. It was in the wrong size for me, so I emailed the lady and told her she should ask more. She replied that others had told her that but she really just wanted to get rid of it that weekend so she priced it to sell. Bottom line was, mind your own business. People price stuff where they think is fair and if we think it is a good price, we can buy it or not.

As for the lens, I think it is the same optical quality as the non DO, but smaller and worth more, so I'd keep it.

jelousy perhaps hidden in moral hypocrisy. I would have enjoyed it myself, got me a good deal