There's a time and place for everything...including bokeh.
nicksan Man I Like to Fart ![]() 24,738 posts Likes: 53 Joined Oct 2006 Location: NYC More info | May 06, 2011 11:16 | #16 There's a time and place for everything...including bokeh.
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May 06, 2011 11:17 | #17 picturecrazy wrote in post #12358726 ![]() Some amount of blur isn't a bad thing. But people seem to love to overdo it imo. It's like people go nuts once they get a 1.4 or 1.2 lens and are on a mission to blur the living snot out of everything, where the amount of blur is almost more important than the subject itself. And then other blur freaks go, "wow what an awesome shot". I think there are times for subject isolation, and times for letting the context and environment around them show. But overall, I do find blurred to be quite overdone, overrated, and over praised. I would say that many with the proper knowledge tend to overdo it. I think the average snap-shooter believes that the more of a scene in focus, the better. Overdoing it is a backlash to that philosophy. Marc
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May 06, 2011 11:29 | #18 My theory is that P&Sers haven't yet learned how they can use DOF to enhance a scene. I see the same thing in macro sometimes. You hear "you have to use F16+ for macro". Well...not always. Some subjects can benefit from really isolating a small portion of them and increase interest. Please visit my Flickr
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magwai Goldmember 1,094 posts Likes: 17 Joined Mar 2010 Location: Guildford, UK More info | May 06, 2011 11:33 | #19 calvinjhfeng wrote in post #12358676 ![]() Blurred background is just a simulation of how our brain see things, so that's why we like it. When we look at things with our eyes, we only focus on one subject at a time, every else is "blurred" out (we ignored them in our head until there's a motion and we shift our attention to that object in motion.) You can definitely try to get everything in focus. Art has all the freedom you want, you can do whatever you want, whatever you appreciate. the out of focus parts of the image we see is not blurred by the brain, but by the lens in the eye. if we see motion in the blur we refocus our eyes which is what deblurs it.
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james_in_baltimore Senior Member ![]() 494 posts Joined Jun 2006 Location: Baltimore, MD More info | May 06, 2011 12:01 | #20 I think it's also important to note that DOF changes in relation to focal length, aperture, and distance to subject. So, for sports, much of the time they don't have much choice, using long lenses and having to shoot wide open or close to it so that the shutter speed is high enough to stop motion. obviously, you can always up the ISO by a stop and then go up an f-stop, but that in many cases would result in a noisier photo with a background which is just slightly less blurry. Similar things can be said when shooting weddings. James Harris Photography - Weddings Portraits Events
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Gregg.Siam Goldmember ![]() 2,383 posts Likes: 1 Joined Jun 2010 Location: Bangkok More info | I always thought there was bokeh and a blurred background. Even though a blurred background is technically bokeh, it differs from good bokeh. 5D MKIII | 24-105mm f/4 L| 50mm f/1.8 | 600EX-RT [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue][FONT="]|
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May 06, 2011 12:22 | #22 The only thing that really annoys me with blurring the background is when only 1 eye is in focus. Website
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ken_vs_ryu Senior Member 539 posts Joined Mar 2007 More info | May 06, 2011 12:27 | #23 james_in_baltimore wrote in post #12359604 ![]() I think it's also important to note that DOF changes in relation to focal length, aperture, and distance to subject. So, for sports, much of the time they don't have much choice, using long lenses and having to shoot wide open or close to it so that the shutter speed is high enough to stop motion. obviously, you can always up the ISO by a stop and then go up an f-stop, but that in many cases would result in a noisier photo with a background which is just slightly less blurry. Similar things can be said when shooting weddings. I just learned this bokeh equation. http://google-black.blogspot.com
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cdifoto Don't get pissy with me ![]() 34,090 posts Likes: 44 Joined Dec 2005 More info | May 06, 2011 12:28 | #24 picturecrazy wrote in post #12358726 ![]() Some amount of blur isn't a bad thing. But people seem to love to overdo it imo. It's like people go nuts once they get a 1.4 or 1.2 lens and are on a mission to blur the living snot out of everything, where the amount of blur is almost more important than the subject itself. And then other blur freaks go, "wow what an awesome shot". I think there are times for subject isolation, and times for letting the context and environment around them show. But overall, I do find blurred to be quite overdone, overrated, and over praised. I agree. Did you lose Digital Photo Professional (DPP)? Get it here
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Green Man Senior Member ![]() 682 posts Likes: 848 Joined Dec 2009 Location: Northern Illinois More info | May 06, 2011 13:08 | #25 Great thread and discussion and I'm guilty of much of what's being discussed but I'm also learning. This shot for example, my first instinct was to annihilate the background but I stopped and thought it would be a more interesting picture to have a hint of the shiny new grain silo in the background as a juxtaposition against the rusted old wheel. I took a few steps back from the wheel and shot at 2.8 instead of 2. I still got great subject isolation but also retained enough detail to add a little extra interest to the shot. ![]() IMG_3262-Edit ![]() ![]() -Chris
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RPCrowe Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | BOKEH IS NOT DEPTH OF FIELD See my images at http://rpcrowe.smugmug.com/
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ChuckingFluff Goldmember ![]() 1,391 posts Likes: 2 Joined Aug 2010 Location: Canada Eh! More info | May 06, 2011 13:14 | #27 It's fine you don't like it. Now get yourself a nice P&S.
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dilonious Member ![]() 218 posts Likes: 2 Joined Jan 2011 Location: Boise More info | May 06, 2011 13:27 | #28 I spent hours looking at photos taken with the Canon 50mm f.95, wide open, yesterday.
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bohdank Cream of the Crop ![]() 14,060 posts Likes: 6 Joined Jan 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada More info | May 06, 2011 13:35 | #29 Green Man wrote in post #12360015 ![]() Great thread and discussion and I'm guilty of much of what's being discussed but I'm also learning. This shot for example, my first instinct was to annihilate the background but I stopped and thought it would be a more interesting picture to have a hint of the shiny new grain silo in the background as a juxtaposition against the rusted old wheel. I took a few steps back from the wheel and shot at 2.8 instead of 2. I still got great subject isolation but also retained enough detail to add a little extra interest to the shot. ![]() ![]() IMG_3262-Edit ![]() ![]() I happened to have scrolled up and noticed the image before reading your narrative. I thought that was a well done shot with just enough blurring to still give a sense of where this wheel was. A good use of DOF, imo Bohdan - I may be, and probably am, completely wrong.
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oyster_photos Member 156 posts Joined Apr 2010 Location: canada More info | May 06, 2011 15:40 | #30 bohdank wrote in post #12360154 ![]() I happened to have scrolled up and noticed the image before reading your narrative. I thought that was a well done shot with just enough blurring to still give a sense of where this wheel was. A good use of DOF, imo agreed, very nice shot. Gear: Camera Lens Light Trigger Tripod Bag Computer
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