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Am I the only one that does not like Bokeh?

 
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May 10, 2011 16:05 |  #226

I seldom use the exposure automation that my 20D has simply because, with the use of a handheld light meter, I can produce well-exposed images more reliably using manual control than the camera can using its automation. I can often work faster with my methods than I could with the camera's automation getting in the way.


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May 10, 2011 16:22 |  #227

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so you only shoot in studios? Cant belive that you never use AV or TV. How offen you missed a good shot because you first had to adjust your aperture and your shutter speed:cool:

I shoot in all types of enviroments and I never miss a shot, I know my camera very well and I know how to use it. I know where every button is in the dark and I know all of the short cuts. I never ever let the camera decide what's best, It's not that smart. I know what's best and can control it. Without practice you'll never get it but that's fine it's not for everyone. I'm also noticing a trend in all your posts and it sucks.




  
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May 10, 2011 17:39 |  #228

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I changed my post above, the older term is depth of focus, we now call it depth of field. :)

In truth, DOF is the zone in front of the lens in which the Circles of Confusion are below the threshold of the eyes' ability to detect.

The Depth of Focus is the zone behind the lens...this is important because of film's difficulty of lying perfectly flat at the focal plane, which of course is not an issue with digital sensors unless the camera itself is very poorly made.


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May 10, 2011 18:24 |  #229

ChuckingFluff wrote in post #12384931 (external link)
I shoot in all types of enviroments and I never miss a shot, I know my camera very well and I know how to use it. I know where every button is in the dark and I know all of the short cuts. I never ever let the camera decide what's best, It's not that smart. I know what's best and can control it. Without practice you'll never get it but that's fine it's not for everyone. I'm also noticing a trend in all your posts and it sucks.

That's just fantastic! And congrats for never missing a shot!


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May 10, 2011 21:35 |  #230

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heh. I stick with M mode because it's easier for me to understand. Av and Tv get too confusing for me.

+1, I stick w/ M because it's what I understand and I always know what mode I'm in. The few times I've tried AV or TV I forget what mode I'm in and miss the shot because I'm pushing the wrong buttons...


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May 11, 2011 01:49 |  #231
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I am still learning the DSLR I first came from a P&S to a DSLR it's not been easy to understand all the Photography terms and settings in a DSLR but I will learn more from experience camera users maybe I don't fully understand all about bokeh because I am still learning the DOF. I only want to learn this first.

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May 11, 2011 05:36 |  #232

CanonEOS wrote in post #12387777 (external link)
I am still learning the DSLR I first came from a P&S to a DSLR it's not been easy to understand all the Photography terms and settings in a DSLR but I will learn more from experience camera users maybe I don't fully understand all about bokeh because I am still learning the DOF. I only want to learn this first.

Thank you.

Probably the best thing you can do is look through the "sharing" sections here and see how other people have made creative use of depth of field. You'll mainly find that for close up subjects (portraits, macro shots), a narrow depth of field is used to put emphasis on the subject. However, landscapes have pretty much all of the photo in focus.

At the end of the day, you're the photographer and you choose how you want to take photos. It's perfectly acceptable for you to "buck the trend" if you want to. Other people may not appreciate your point of view, but you need to do what you're happy with. That being sad, you should continue to open yourself up to other people's point of view and advice.


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May 11, 2011 06:35 |  #233
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I will listen to any members who give me some good advice on my camera and the depth of field, that's why I joined this forum to learn from the experience users anyway thank you for your suggestions.

I like to shoot my pictures using the LCD I find it much easy to change the settings I know other members will never agree to my point of view, but everyone is different in life I do know many real professional use the view-finder, but I am happy the way I use my camera.

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Probably the best thing you can do is look through the "sharing" sections here and see how other people have made creative use of depth of field. You'll mainly find that for close up subjects (portraits, macro shots), a narrow depth of field is used to put emphasis on the subject. However, landscapes have pretty much all of the photo in focus.

At the end of the day, you're the photographer and you choose how you want to take photos. It's perfectly acceptable for you to "buck the trend" if you want to. Other people may not appreciate your point of view, but you need to do what you're happy with. That being sad, you should continue to open yourself up to other people's point of view and advice.


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May 11, 2011 06:53 |  #234

All photography is subjective and down to personal preference, that is what is so great about it. If you like something, stick with it! Along the way people may offer alternate views, you may then adjust your own view based on this additional information, or if it is of no benefit to you just file it away in the old memory banks! :)

Depth of field is just a tool. When you are looking at scene just ask yourself "does the background add or detract from the moment I am trying to capture?". For most landscape shots you'll probably want a deep depth of field, this isn't always the case so don't view it as a rule.

If you have a cluttered background behind a nice family portrait, you may feel it detracts. So in this case you may feel you want a depth of field which allows you to blur the distracting background. This may also involve moving your subject away for the background so you can increase the blur.

Using a large aperture\shooting a lens wide open is also something that you may just have to do due to lighting conditions. The wider the aperture the more light you are letting in, so in low light you either need a wide aperture, or a higher ISO (assuming you are keeping a base shutter speed required for your subject or hand holding). You have to decide whether you want a low ISO (less noise), or do you raise the ISO (more noise) so that you can have a deeper depth of field.

A lens with IS could give you more flexibility in this instance as you can use a lower shutter speed (when hand holding), of course this doesn't help if your subject is moving...!

Just learn the F-stop, ISO and Shutter speed interaction and what each does. It is straightforward really :)




  
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May 11, 2011 07:28 |  #235
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This is a debate over How many people need/use live view for me it was a Interesting please read all.

http://forums.dpreview​.com …22&thread=24966​115&page=1 (external link)


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May 11, 2011 07:44 |  #236

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This is a debate over How many people need/use live view for me it was a Interesting please read all.

http://forums.dpreview​.com …22&thread=24966​115&page=1 (external link)

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I will talk to you if you drop your attitude to me, I use the live view end of story.

Live view is good only for a few things. if you want to keep on using it for everything- no problem. I am sure later on when you know more - you'll regret.


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May 11, 2011 07:51 |  #237

Let's stop it here, the mods are busy with their lives and don't want to come in here just to delete out posts.

Back on track....... please!


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May 11, 2011 07:53 |  #238

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I like to shoot my pictures using the LCD I find it much easy to change the settings I know other members will never agree to my point of view, but everyone is different in life I do know many real professional use the view-finder, but I am happy the way I use my camera.

Unless you use a solid tripod every time you are using the LCD as a viewfinder, your images are often going to suffer.

There's simply no way that one can use a DSLR as if it were a point-n-shoot camera and hold it nearly as steady as when using the viewfinder normally (camera fairly tight up against the face), holding the camera with the right hand, cradling the lens in your left hand, and locking your elbows into your sides as part of holding the camera. That hold simply cannot be done when using Live View mode.

Also, if you use the camera like it's a point-n-shoot (like the two images above in your post #237), you are almost definitely going to have folks laughing at you from time to time.


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May 11, 2011 08:18 |  #239
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I understand what you are saying about the live view but most of my pictures I take now are in live view, sometimes I use my tripod for landscape pictures, no one here looks or laughs at me some of my friends have P&S camera also Nikon DSLR we are all learning together when we meet sometimes my friends tryed to convince me to go Nikon but went to Canon, Because I like Canon.

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Unless you use a solid tripod every time you are using the LCD as a viewfinder, your images are often going to suffer.

There's simply no way that one can use a DSLR as if it were a point-n-shoot camera and hold it nearly as steady as when using the viewfinder normally (camera fairly tight up against the face), holding the camera with the right hand, cradling the lens in your left hand, and locking your elbows into your sides as part of holding the camera. That hold simply cannot be done when using Live View mode.Also, if you use the camera like it's a point-n-shoot (like the two images above in your post #237), you are almost definitely going to have folks laughing at you from time to time.

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seriously what is your point? I am seriously confused?

Don't be confused I am only asking for information on the DOF as you know what my gear is, I just want to learn more and what do you use in the f/numbers to take flowers, landscape, people or children face, also on night what do you use? I shoot in AV most of the time, but some members suggestions was to use M, I also like to take water falls I have tried before in TV mode but it didn't look good. I still have the pictures if you like I can upload them here.


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May 11, 2011 08:57 |  #240

CanonEOS wrote in post #12388689 (external link)
I understand what you are saying about the live view but most of my pictures I take now are in live view, sometimes I use my tripod for landscape pictures, no one here looks or laughs at me some of my friends have P&S camera also Nikon DSLR we are all learning together when we meet sometimes my friends tryed to convince me to go Nikon but went to Canon, Because I like Canon.

Don't be confused I am only asking for information on the DOF as you know what my gear is, I just want to learn more and what do you use in the f/numbers to take flower, landscape, people or children face, also on night I shoot in AV, but some members suggestions was to use M, I also like to take water falls I have tried before in TV mode but it did look good. I still have the pictures if you like I can upload them here.

I apologize if I sound harsh to you but you just keep bring up the Words your attitude after sometime it's a pain keep bring it up like I should Remember it forever. please just stop it.

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Take you 50mm f1.8 and take some pics of things around you at different apertures and also at different distances. Try to do this exercise when light is plenty. Av is fine to begin with, in manual you have to select shutter speed as well. Av is simpler as you choose just the aperture you want and shutter speed is set accordingly.

If you want to separate your subject from the background/foreground use larger apertures (smaller f number) (e.g. portraits and flowers); if you want increased DOF use smaller apertures (larger f number) (e.g. for landscapes).


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