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Would you call a 60D a super rebel?

 
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May 17, 2011 17:51 |  #76

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but to your credit,on the European site they are named differently.
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And in Japan it's known as the Kiss.


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May 17, 2011 18:30 |  #77

I can't understand why Canon couldn't just stick with their established model numbering convention. It might have prevented confusion and disappointment that seems to have resulted from calling it a 60D instead of, maybe, a 700D. The other dumb name is 7D - that should have been called the 60D.




  
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May 17, 2011 18:44 |  #78

cameraperson wrote in post #12423643 (external link)
I was looking at the dpreview and they said:

The 60D is probably best understood as a 'super Rebel' - it's a more comfortable, more flexible and faster-to-use version of Canon's justly popular entry-level DSLRs. The twin dial controls, better grip and bigger viewfinder will delight stills shooters while the articulated screen and movie control will please would-be videographers.
http://www.dpreview.co​m …ws/canoneos60D/​page20.asp (external link)

I never felt that way about the 50D and though they feel different I thought they were in another class than the rebels.

edit: I also remember them not liking the 50D. Are they biased against Canon?

I believe they are biased against Canon I seem to remember a falling out a while back. I would not go with their evaluation without other like opinions


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May 17, 2011 18:45 as a reply to  @ LudwigVB's post |  #79

Rebels have plastic bodies and lack basic features such as sync ports. ;)


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May 17, 2011 19:01 |  #80

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I'd call it a camera. ....

If it makes you feel better, the 60D is prosumer, at worst it's consumer, but to me it's a camera.

Best post so far, it's a camera. This whole argument over it being a super rebel or whether it is pro or not is silly. It does the job that I want it to do whether it's shooting a job/pro or just for fun/hobby in my free time. Is it going to be right or have everything that you as a photographer wants? that's up to the individual but for me I love it. It is pretty durable as well for everyone that complains about it being plastic vs magnesium alloy and has survived my abuse and use side by side with a 1D2 rain or shine.

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May 17, 2011 19:32 |  #81

Plastic alloy?! Oh the humanity!

I spent the weekend at a shooting class and fired off around 500 .45 rounds on my "plastic" gun. Hey, if I can shot .45's then I figure I can shoot a picture!

I really wanted the 7D but couldn't justify the cost and the 60D was in my acceptable range and will get me in better glass much sooner.

I am pleased with my purchase!




  
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May 17, 2011 21:15 |  #82

And, as I've said before, if MA is such an all-important feature - why were there no complaints about its non-inclusion in the 40D? When the 40D was launched MA was already present in the 1D, yet I don't recall a single complaint about the lack of MA in the 40D. Indeed, I don't recall there being songs of jubilation about its inclusion in the 50D, more of a 'ooh, that's nice' reception.

Well, as someone said, it was segregated then between pro and consumer bodies, so nobody' was really going to complain because it was accepted that MA was a "pro" feature ...just like now you don't hear people actually complaining their 60D doesn't have dual slots and an integrated grip (well, maybe the dual slot thing, but that's the D7000's fault).

Rather, they're complaining because it's a trivial thing to implement, was given to the 50D only to be removed in the next iteration of the XXD line.

That's like Canon giving the 70D dual SD slots and 7 FPS and getting everyone amazed at what the 80D will be, only to have the 80D come out at 5FPS and single xD card slot!
You don't take away baseline features from the model line, and I guess a lot of 50D speculators and/or owners thought Canon has done just that.


Or, taken another way, Canon gave you MA in a prior-generation of enthusiast camera - an extremely useful tool if you ever need it. They then introduced the upgraded "daddy" of APS-C in the 7D, people get all excited, and then the 60D comes out and lacks MA.

In effect, Canon makes you go back a generation to the 50D or pay $600+ more dollars for a few lines of firmware code.

The reasons Canon stripped the 60D of MA are probably numerous and make business sense, but in a "good will" to the customer it stunk.


The funny part about all this is that Olympus beats the holy hell out of everyone when it comes to MA - it's a shame their sensor has sub-par noise and DR performance...E-5 was a great camera and their lenses are top-notch, but I guess all 15 owners of a dual Olympus / Brand-X setup can't make a loud enough ruckus for other people to pay attention :D


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May 18, 2011 06:49 |  #83

LudwigVB wrote in post #12429237 (external link)
I can't understand why Canon couldn't just stick with their established model numbering convention. It might have prevented confusion and disappointment that seems to have resulted from calling it a 60D instead of, maybe, a 700D. The other dumb name is 7D - that should have been called the 60D.

PLEASE! Somebody tell me why it matters a fig's part what they call the bloody things???!!!!!vmadvmadvmadvmad


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May 18, 2011 06:53 |  #84

hollis_f wrote in post #12432324 (external link)
PLEASE! Somebody tell me why it matters a fig's part what they call the bloody things???!!!!!vmadvmadvmadvmad

It's human nature to want to follow a seemingly logical progression.

Canon threw a wrench in this by taking a somewhat retrograde step. They gave a (relatively) lesser camera a higher number.


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As you can all see in the Canon lineup cameras the 60D & 50D is not in the rebel line or a super Rebel name printed under it.;)


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May 18, 2011 07:42 |  #86

Disclaimer: Do not currently and have never owned a 60D.

My buddy bought the 60D as an upgrade to his XTi. It is a fine camera and I certainly don't see it as a super rebel. Fact is I have MA on my 7D and my 1D and haven't found the need to use it with the exception of one Tamron lens. It is a nice feature to have, but I would rather have improved image quality, ISO performance, etc. I think it is an upgrade to the 50D in some areas, and a downgrade in others. The same could be said for every release of a camera. Some could argue the 7D is a downgrade to the 50D because of the complex AF system. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not but the needs of the individual are, well, individual. I sometimes wonder if all the folks who complain about specific bodies are lackluster photographers so they revert to gear status to differentiate themselves from other photographers. I'm not saying that is the case for everyone, but I certainly do wonder sometimes. I have seen some use a S90/S95 take amazing pictures and they are certainly better than me with my 1D or 7D. Why the crap should I care what type of camera they used (I guess the s9x series is the mini rebel)?


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CanonEOS wrote in post #12432497 (external link)
As you can all see in the Canon lineup cameras the 60D & 50D is not in the rebel line or a super Rebel name printed under it.;)

Better for you?

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jase1125 wrote in post #12432504 (external link)
Disclaimer: Do not currently and have never owned a 60D.

My buddy bought the 60D as an upgrade to his XTi. It is a fine camera and I certainly don't see it as a super rebel. Fact is I have MA on my 7D and my 1D and haven't found the need to use it with the exception of one Tamron lens. It is a nice feature to have, but I would rather have improved image quality, ISO performance, etc. I think it is an upgrade to the 50D in some areas, and a downgrade in others. The same could be said for every release of a camera. Some could argue the 7D is a downgrade to the 50D because of the complex AF system. Do I agree with it? Absolutely not but the needs of the individual are, well, individual. I sometimes wonder if all the folks who complain about specific bodies are lackluster photographers so they revert to gear status to differentiate themselves from other photographers. I'm not saying that is the case for everyone, but I certainly do wonder sometimes. I have seen some use a S90/S95 take amazing pictures and they are certainly better than me with my 1D or 7D. Why the crap should I care what type of camera they used (I guess the s9x series is the mini rebel)?

Again, why you bashing on the Rebel?

Rebel = Entry level
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May 18, 2011 08:40 |  #89
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rhys216 wrote in post #12432565 (external link)
Again, why you bashing on the Rebel?

Rebel = Entry level
Rebel Bad

You got one part right

Rebel = Entry level

60D = Mid level;)

7D = semi-pro

5D MK !! = High end

1D - 1Ds = flagship


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May 18, 2011 08:53 |  #90

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