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Just Starting, On A Small Budget, but Wanting To Skip The Kit Lens

 
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May 24, 2011 19:47 |  #1

Hey again...

Like the title says I'm just starting off and on a pretty small budget (L lenses are a ways away and I'd liked to become more experienced before making such a upgrade). I know that photography is not cheap and you definitely get what you pay for. I also understand that in photography there's always a need/want for newer, better, different, or specialized equipment. I'm making a shopping list for lenses and have decided to skip the kit lens (which everyone just seems to sells off anyway) and go for some lenses that I'll be able to hold onto and grow with. Here's the order of purchase I'm thinking so far:

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1st - Tamron 28-75 2.8 (for around $430) - I'm thinking this would be good for street/travel/general purpose

2nd - Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 SP ($500) or Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 ($470) - I could use some help deciding. Does the lens speed difference between the two make much difference in use for landscapes and interior real estate shots?

3rd - Sigma 30mm 1.4 ($460) - Everyone needs a prime, low light performance, and I'd eventually like to learn shooting video on a DSLR. I decided on the 30mm in place of the 50mm due to the 60D being a cropped sensor... So I'm thinking the 30mm would actually be closer to a 50mmm on a full frame SLR.

4th - Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro ($500 used/refurbished) - I'd like a lens that I can use for both macro and portraits.

Considering budget and use what do you all think? I'm truly open to other lens suggestions, advice, opinions, and thoughts. I'm no where close to being a pro but I strive to continuously improve towards that goal and would like to have quality equipment that will continue to meet needs as I grow.


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May 24, 2011 19:56 |  #2

Why are you so against the 18-55 IS kit lens?


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May 24, 2011 19:56 |  #3

I started with the Tamron 24-75 f/2.8, good lens for the money and rated well. Try and pick one up used and save some $.


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May 24, 2011 20:09 |  #4

For the first two lenses, have you considered:

1) Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 EX DC OS ($669)

2) Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 ($659)

If you are worried about limiting yourself to crop lenses, these lenses hold their retail value very well. They are both great lenses, if you want to skip the kit lens.


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May 24, 2011 20:14 |  #5

shedberg wrote in post #12472677 (external link)
Why are you so against the 18-55 IS kit lens?

Honestly, I'm not against any one brand/lens or another. I'm also inexperienced with any lens you can name. I'm going completely off of a combination of advice, reviews, forums, and picture comparisons I'm seeing on an uncalibrated pc monitor. The main thing I keep seeing is how fast people seem to out grow kit lenses and that they're not as sharp as non kit lenses. This is not my own experience because I've never used one, but it does seem to be with the vast majority of people sharing their experiences with me. If that is true (which I'm inclined to believe) then I'd rather just spend my money on a lens that I can grow with (keeping in mind an L lens is not an option).

In other words, my first car doesn't need to be a Maserati but I'd like something more than a car that JUST gets you from a to b. I'm looking for a good midrange that you'd still be proud of years from now... even after both you and your collection grew.


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May 24, 2011 20:28 |  #6

I would start out with the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 (non-VC) and the Canon 100 f2.8 IS L macro, which both pair up very nicely on the 60D.


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May 24, 2011 20:42 |  #7

I recently started with a 60D too and chose not to go with the kit lens either. I started with a new Sigma 30. While it's a great lens, I quickly found that I preferred a zoom and image stabilization. I'd highly recommend the stabilization for video too, especially if you are planning to hand hold. I'd recommend looking for a nice used lens. You can use it for a while, and if you decide it's not for you, then sell it. You won't lose much.




  
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May 24, 2011 21:10 as a reply to  @ BJenk's post |  #8

This is what happens when the Canon 18-55mm image stabilizer lens, often bundled with Canon DSLR's in a "kit," is used to take pictures.

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No shortcomings detected in actual use of the lens.



  
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May 24, 2011 21:26 as a reply to  @ DC Fan's post |  #9

Oh man, that supercharger is so schweet. I'd forgotten about the straps. Nice. Very nice. But of course this is all about the lens. I use the 18-55 kit lens from my XSI on my 60D. Love it. I have some nice primes too, but the 18-55 is a nice, inexpensive little workhorse that I use regularly. Specifically that's the Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II (I have the older version).


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May 24, 2011 21:53 |  #10

kiapolo wrote in post #12472792 (external link)
For the first two lenses, have you considered:

1) Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 EX DC OS ($669)

2) Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 ($659)

If you are worried about limiting yourself to crop lenses, these lenses hold their retail value very well. They are both great lenses, if you want to skip the kit lens.

These are 2 great lenses to consider.

I think you're making a very wise decsion to skip the kit lenses. Very wise!
Hey, that 100mm 2.8 non IS macro I've seen used for under $400.




  
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May 24, 2011 22:31 |  #11

It is 28-75 2.8 - street, travel, portrait.
But too narrow for city wide shots.
Even 24 is not wide enough sometimes.


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May 24, 2011 23:24 |  #12

I took this with the 18-55 kit lens with very little PP but admittedly I just bought the 17-55 f2.8 IS.

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May 24, 2011 23:40 |  #13

kf095 wrote in post #12473698 (external link)
It is 28-75 2.8 - street, travel, portrait.
But too narrow for city wide shots.
Even 24 is not wide enough sometimes.

I was planning to get a 10mm-20mm for wides. From what I've read so far it looks like either the sigma or tamron will do great with little distortion.

The 17-50mm looks nice... really nice... but I'm thinking the 28-75mm would be a good fit for me since I'll end up needing a wider lens either way. Plus I like the extra range it gives on the long end.


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May 25, 2011 02:28 |  #14

If you want extra range on a walkaround lens, take a look at the sigma 17-70, not too expensive, great IQ, f2.8-4 aperture instead of the 3.5-5.6 you usually find on lenses in that range. Otherwise the tamron 17-50 non-VC would be good too, and in the same price range.

Between the 2 UWA options, go for the sigma, the tamron is usually regarded as being the weakest UWA.

I suggest you get one lens first, then see if you actually need the others instead of buying everything at the same time, because if you do that, you're going to have 4 new toys all at the same time, and you won't give each one the time it deserves and takes to learn properly.


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May 25, 2011 02:39 |  #15

DC Fan wrote in post #12473156 (external link)
This is what happens when the Canon 18-55mm image stabilizer lens, often bundled with Canon DSLR's in a "kit," is used to take pictures.

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No shortcomings detected in actual use of the lens.

Great shots.


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