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Ekir
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May 26, 2011 22:43 |  #1

Hi, I am not a newcomer to ps, understand layers, and have tried several ways of converting to black and white.
I would like to know the best way to get detailed B&W that is crisp and clean without all the grey, as soon as I decrease exposure the whites go a murky colour.

I have attached a copy of the original file I am playing with, and will attach a b&W I've tried so you can see the grey areas I'm talking about...Here goes

infra effect file

IMAGE: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5223/5763389539_cbe89ae9bf_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/ekir78/57633895​39/  (external link)
IMG_5896infra (external link) by Ekir78 (external link), on Flickr

Original file nothing changed, just sved as JPEG

IMAGE: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2461/5763398287_c55de52b16_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/ekir78/57633982​87/  (external link)
IMG_5896orig (external link) by Ekir78 (external link), on Flickr


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May 26, 2011 22:43 |  #2

File name: IMG_5896orig.jpg
File size: 446393 bytes (2400x3600, 0.4bpp, 58x)
EXIF Summary: 1/320s f/11.0 ISO400 28mm

Camera-Specific Properties:

Equipment Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 50D
Camera Software: Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh
Maximum Lens Aperture: f/3.5

Image-Specific Properties:

Image Orientation: Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution: 300 dpi
Vertical Resolution: 300 dpi
Image Created: 2011:05:27 13:40:28
Exposure Time: 1/320 sec
F-Number: f/11.0
Exposure Program: Manual
ISO Speed Rating: 400
Lens Aperture: f/11.0
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Metering Mode: Pattern
Flash: No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length: 28.00 mm
Color Space Information: Uncalibra​ted
Image Width: 2400
Image Height: 3600
Rendering: Normal
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Manual
Scene Capture Type: Standard

Other Properties:

Resolution Unit: i
Exif IFD Pointer: 208
Compression Scheme: JPEG Compression (Thumbnail)
Horizontal Resolution: 72 dpi
Vertical Resolution: 72 dpi
Resolution Unit: i
Offset to JPEG SOI: 746
Bytes of JPEG Data: 4898
Exif Version: 2.21
Image Generated: 2011:05:08 12:08:29
Image Digitized: 2011:05:08 12:08:29
Shutter Speed: 1/320 sec
DateTime Second Fraction: 15
DateTimeOriginal Second Fraction: 15
DateTimeDigitized Second Fraction: 15
Focal Plane Horiz Resolution: 5315 dpi
Focal Plane Vert Resolution: 5306 dpi
Focal Plane Res Unit: i




  
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May 26, 2011 22:50 |  #3

silver efex pro!

seriously good B&Ws.

There are some good tutorials if you search for them on fred miranda forums.


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May 26, 2011 22:51 |  #4

plasticmotif wrote in post #12486691 (external link)
silver efex pro!

seriously good B&Ws.

There are some good tutorials if you search for them on fred miranda forums.

Thanks! I'll have a look for that!

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May 26, 2011 23:18 |  #5

Grr, It wants me to sign up and register..I don't have any nikon products!




  
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May 27, 2011 01:52 |  #6

Any other ideas?




  
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May 27, 2011 04:15 |  #7

Ekir wrote in post #12487274 (external link)
Any other ideas?

I really like Greg Gorman's black and white conversion method
http://www.gormanphoto​graphy.com/Duotone.htm​l (external link)

You might try that.

But silver efx pro 2 is pretty great and pretty easy.


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May 27, 2011 05:10 |  #8

Black and White adjustment layer to convert to BW.
Curves adjustment layer to spread out your histogram and get more contrast.

Or Channel Mixer adjustment layer, followed by Curves again.


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May 27, 2011 05:22 |  #9

I like FrenchConnector use the channel mixer. It really gives you awesome control in the Black and white process. After using it for a little while you'll be doing really cool BW conversions in no time each time specific for the photo and its pre-dominant colours.

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May 27, 2011 07:00 as a reply to  @ olivier.zueri's post |  #10

Go to http://www.niksoftware​.com/silverefexpro/usa​/entry.php (external link) like was mentioned before


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May 27, 2011 07:17 |  #11

About a hundred ways to do it in PS...

http://www.getcolorman​aged.com/general/grays​cale/ (external link)


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May 27, 2011 07:51 |  #12

René Damkot wrote in post #12487947 (external link)
About a hundred ways to do it in PS...

http://www.getcolorman​aged.com/general/grays​cale/ (external link)

thanks for this


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May 27, 2011 10:21 as a reply to  @ larawangkupas's post |  #13

There is no "best" way. Buy one of these books and try different methods in Photoshop. Leslie Alsheimer is another one of my New Mexico neighbors and has given me great advice on BW conversion via personal emails. Her book is excellent.

And download the trial of NIK SilverEfex Pro and try it out.

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May 27, 2011 12:42 |  #14

I use calculations in Photoshop for mine, turn out pretty decent!


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May 27, 2011 18:55 |  #15

Thanks Rene, will try that tutorial out!

SarasotaTim, I havn't come across calculations in ps, will look for it, thanks!

Chauncy, Ok, have downloaded silver fx, but really after one of the actions already in ps, that I don't have to eventually pay for!

Thankyou everyone for the lnks and ideas, I know OF the wys to do it, but was after the ways that you all find best to do it!

Ill try some links...




  
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