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May 28, 2011 21:45 |  #1

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anyone have experience with this? any reviews or opinions?

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May 28, 2011 22:20 |  #2

What are you using it for?


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May 28, 2011 23:11 |  #3

not sure... depends on what kind of light it creates. perhaps indoor photos of family/friends, fill light, and experimenting from there. just off the appearance it seems like it would do better then the plastic diffusers. was hoping to get some feedback from here


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May 28, 2011 23:42 |  #4

I haven't used one but there are some reviews on Amazon.com by people who have. I'm interested how it would work outside for fill flash.


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May 28, 2011 23:46 |  #5

I would think a simple bounce card would work as well or better. If you can ceiling or wall bounce, that's 10x better.


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May 29, 2011 01:40 |  #6

I was told recently that the dimensions of that product are 6" x 8". So, as a direct light source, it will provide some degree of softening, just a tiny bit more than the 5" x 7" softbox examples which I posted here...

This first link shows how terribly a 3 sq.in. modifier like the Stoffen fares, as a direct source (lest you be tempted)...
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=12396412&po​stcount=61

These next two posts illustrate a 35 sq.in. softbox in use as a direct source...
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=12400608&po​stcount=74

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=12403237&po​stcount=78


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May 29, 2011 06:58 |  #7

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I would think a simple bounce card would work as well or better. If you can ceiling or wall bounce, that's 10x better.

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The reason I asked what you were using for was I went down this path. I tried all types of on camera diffusers including this one. Became a bit of an obsession trying to find the latest and greatest diffuser and solve the mystery of light. There is no mystery - it is just basic physics.

Did you read this thread? It seems like every month there is some new device proclaiming it is has solved the diffusion problem. The device you show does not fall into that category. It is just a basic softbox.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1046264

As you can see in the images posted here the softbox you are asking about does make a slight difference however I think it is just too small for your applications. Soft light is all about the size of the light source and distance to the subject. In order to achieve soft light the source must be bigger than the subject.

Not saying you should not use it. You just should not rely on it when you get great opportunities to bounce your flash. You will achieve far better results.

If you are interested in this stuff you might want to read this. Going down this path was the best thing I ever did.

In the blue column to the right the real good stuff starts at "flash photography techniques"

http://neilvn.com …h-photography-techniques/ (external link)

His book is excellent.

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May 29, 2011 07:07 |  #8

Look at this one. They just keep making them bigger. I'm pretty sure I have seen bigger ones. Personally I would not is as I just find it a bit distracting.

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May 29, 2011 07:21 |  #9

The samples in the thread referenced above were shot at 20', so a small box like this isn't going to have so much effect. Softening the shadows is all about the distance to the subject vs. the size of the source. It's not just the size of the source (the sun is pretty freakin' huge).

But there are lots of shots you can take at distances less than 20' which might benefit more from such a product. I have a Lumiquest (original) Softbox and I'll try to take some sample shots with it. Lumiquest makes many products now, including some that are considerably larger. The older stuff is smaller to allow the sensors in thyristor flashes to see the subject, but with ETTL you can use softboxes that droop down on each side of the lens. The closer you can get the light source to the lens, the smaller the shadows should be (I'm usually thinking about chin shadows when I'm thinking about this stuff).


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May 29, 2011 07:42 |  #10

samefly wrote in post #12496809 (external link)
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anyone have experience with this? any reviews or opinions?


A lot of these products are gimmicks... Such as Mr Wong's Lightsphere...

When it comes to flash diffusers, Mr Van Niekerk is your man.. See what he uses, scroll to the middle to the 'Black Foam' bouncer...

http://neilvn.com …hoice-of-flash-modifiers/ (external link)

I've been testing these different brands for about 4 years, they all do something, but cost money and take up a lot of space in your bag and with some you could look foolish..

The black bouncer he uses, is made of foam material, it's cheap (maybe 50 cents from an artstore), waterproof, unobtrusive and folds flat in your bag...

The other advantage i found, is, outside where there is no walls to bounce from, if you fold the top bit down, it shoots soft light to your subject.. He explains in another page, the reason he uses black is to get more contrast... You can tweak it later in PP if you want..

I highly recommend it..


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May 29, 2011 07:52 |  #11

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The other advantage i found, is, outside where there is no walls to bounce from, if you fold the top bit down, it shoots soft light to your subject.. He explains in another page, the reason he uses black is to get more contrast... You can tweak it later in PP if you want..

Can you explain that or direct me to that page. I don't recall reading that. I'm about ready to order a Demb Flip It but I can't decide on a size and style. I use the black fomie thing so I will look at alternatives.

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May 29, 2011 08:01 |  #12

No need. I did read it. I thought you were talking about something else. I don't want to miss anything :)


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May 29, 2011 08:02 |  #13

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Can you explain that or direct me to that page. I don't recall reading that. I'm about ready to order a Demb Flip It but I can't decide on a size and style. I use the black fomie thing so I will look at alternatives.

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Careful before you spend hard earned cash, there's hundreds of these on the market..

Can't find the exact page where he explained it, but have a look here.. There's some videos with him in talking about it..

http://neilvn.com …g-the-black-foamie-thing/ (external link)


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May 29, 2011 08:10 as a reply to  @ The Shaheen's post |  #14

There you go...

http://neilvn.com …/22/black-light-modifier/ (external link)


One thing with this, inside you can fold it as he does.. A lot of light will bounce off the walls anyway..

Outside you can open it to full-size to shoot light forward, to cover the distance...

The other possibility is to have black on one side and white on the other..

Remember, any tupperware or gizmo on your flash will make you look amateurish to your subjects, wedding or event or whatever.. The beauty of this is it's speedy usability, just put it in your pocket in between shots...


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May 29, 2011 08:11 |  #15

Thanks. This is just great stuff isn't it?


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