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Do you think Micro Four Thirds is a fad?

 
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Jun 07, 2011 16:05 |  #46

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The NEX with the zoom is not much bigger the m4/3 with zooms. The NEX body is actually smaller even though it has a sensor larger than the canon 7d. I wouldn't say it's much larger and more cumbersome.

Well... crap. :lol:

I've never had them in my hands side-by-side like that. I guess I've got to revise my statement to read something more like: The Sony - with the larger 18-55SR kit-lens - feels far larger and more cumbersome. Every time I think about experiences with the NEX-3/5, I always remember the camera being far larger in feel/use compared to the E-PL1.

Obviously, the difference isn't as large as I'd like to remember. ;)


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Jun 07, 2011 16:22 |  #47

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It works exactly as it is in the manual for my both cameras, 5D and 500D - press DOF preview button to stop down lens to selected aperture.
And this is how I see it exactly on VF.
If it is 2.8 constant aperture zoom lens and I have F8 selected - I'll press DOF preview button - it is getting more dark and more space is in focus.
May be super fast primes like 1.4 acts diffrent, I don't know.

Ah I think we're talking about different things.

I mean the viewfinder doesn't show true DOF when you're shooting under f2.8 or so. Pressing the DOF preview does nothing if you're shooting wide open, since the lens is already wide open. When you stop down, then the DOF preview does show you what DOF will be like :)


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Jun 07, 2011 16:45 |  #48

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Jun 07, 2011 19:44 as a reply to  @ HKGuns's post |  #49

I don't think micro four thirds is a fad at all. It's worth taking a look at or even trying one out.


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Jun 07, 2011 22:24 |  #50

i loved the gf2 when i owned it. i think it will stick around for awhile. its appeal is that its great for street photography (well i had a 20mm pancake lens) and on the go shooting.


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Jun 08, 2011 00:28 |  #51

I've tried my friends MFT and I think there is a great future for it, especially if they can stabilize on a 16MP APC sensor with good dynamic range and ISO, and just grow the ecosystem from there.

the size/weight combination is amazing.




  
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Jun 08, 2011 00:36 |  #52

With a t3i a 28mm or 30 so will equal that 40mm in range. And have about the the same aperture or bigger. But they are 2x the size.

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What made the T3i more versatile?


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Jun 08, 2011 00:38 |  #53

The reason it feels bigger is because the balance is really off with the nex. The epl-1 is better balanced with the telescoping lens. And it is a tad smaller with the lens on.

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Well... crap. :lol:

I've never had them in my hands side-by-side like that. I guess I've got to revise my statement to read something more like: The Sony - with the larger 18-55SR kit-lens - feels far larger and more cumbersome. Every time I think about experiences with the NEX-3/5, I always remember the camera being far larger in feel/use compared to the E-PL1.

Obviously, the difference isn't as large as I'd like to remember. ;)


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Jun 08, 2011 00:41 |  #54

you can add a removable evf to the pens except the ep1 and gf1/2. The olympus VF2 is a excellent EVF. Way better then the Panny on for their GF cameras.

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No a fad but probably the start of something. I do believe eventually camera's like cell phones and other devices will get better and more portable.

I too tried a few 4/3 systems and while I love the size I hated not having a viewfinder so I eventually ended up with a 60D as a second camera. If you can handle manual focus I was very impressed with the voigtlander 40mm 2.0 pancake lens. They make a 20 as well but I just could not live with manual focus.


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Jun 08, 2011 00:44 |  #55

The VF2 is a great evf, and if you are into manual focus with old lenses, it is a must have. Makes it so much easier. It is a very high res evf compare to the panny one.

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Last EVF I was looking into was on broadcast video camera, but it was a while ago and they are something like 2K in price even now.

Is EVF optional for 4/3?

I found one for Olympus 4/3 cameras, it is optional and it costs 250 USD from local Toronto retailer.
IMHO, it makes is totally technically and money wise stupid.
250 USD for EVF which makes this cameras looks funny and kind of useless compare to Rebel at the same price.
Sorry, it is just IMHO.


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Jun 08, 2011 01:00 |  #56

m4/3 are making allot of new products. They are getting some fast primes coming and some fast zooms.

But I have olympus epl-1 with the vf2 and that is my travel package most of the time. The thing is very compact, and the lenses I have are smaller then my canon setup, with equally good iq. But the m4/3 like all camera has it's limits. Shoot within them, and you will have excellent results. Get out of their operational envelope and you will have very poor results.

m4/3 does not have the evf refresh rate to keep form blacking out between shots, and they do not have the AF system to shoot any serious action. The GH2 has the best AF for a m4/3 but you really need to work it to get action shots.

What they do super well for is long reaching shots. The 2x crop gives their 300mm zoom 600mm of reach. They also shoot excellent general photography stuff and macro. And the olympus has wireless ttl so you can work with off camera flash. Besides using olympus and panasonic 4/3 ttl flashes, metz and nissin has 4/3 flash options that are very good.

Their lenses are getting there, as they can use 4/3 lenses with adapter, you can get the 30 1.4 for the olympus and it will work on the epl-1. It just focus slower. And sigma said they are going to join m4/3 so allot of the sigma lenses may get m4/3 mount in the future. So is schenider and cz of others.
And unlike aps-c, you can get a excellent megazoom lens for m4/3 giving you excellent reach in a all in 1. The lenses does not have to have as big a image circle, and with the crop factor the olympus 14-150 lens is 300mm of reach and is very sharp unlike allot of the 18-200 lenses out there.

So if you know how to use the system, and need a compact system, m4/3 is a very good choice. And you will have allot of more lens option vs sony and samsung currently.

So I do not think m4/3 is a fad. It has developed into it's own segment of the market, no longer a niche. And it is a good compliment to a dslr when you need something smaller. Just accept less DR and 1600iso as the top, though the new ones can be push to 3200iso. It still does not match a t2i at that iso.


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Jun 08, 2011 01:45 |  #57

Just another tool in the bag. ;)

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Jun 08, 2011 01:50 |  #58

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Jun 08, 2011 01:56 |  #59

cameraperson wrote in post #12553259 (external link)
I know you weren't addressing this but Sony looks nice, like a lot of their stuff, but they abandon too many things and make you pay the "Sony Tax" for accessories. I don't trust them to stay behind their products more than a few years. I hope I'm wrong for the camera buyers who purchased a nex.

This is soooooooo true. Remember the memory stick format and how they used to cram that down our throats for any Sony product we got? Even my Sony P&S from 2-3 years ago wouldn't support SD format.

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With a t3i a 28mm or 30 so will equal that 40mm in range. And have about the the same aperture or bigger. But they are 2x the size.

shoturtle wrote in post #12555914 (external link)
The reason it feels bigger is because the balance is really off with the nex. The epl-1 is better balanced with the telescoping lens. And it is a tad smaller with the lens on.

shoturtle wrote in post #12555933 (external link)
you can add a removable evf to the pens except the ep1 and gf1/2. The olympus VF2 is a excellent EVF. Way better then the Panny on for their GF cameras.

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The VF2 is a great evf, and if you are into manual focus with old lenses, it is a must have. Makes it so much easier. It is a very high res evf compare to the panny one.

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m4/3 are making allot of new products. They are getting some fast primes coming and some fast zooms.

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Dude, not to be a jerk, but multi-quote is there for a reason. 2-3 responses in a row is acceptable laziness, but 5-posts in a row on a single page is too much.


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Jun 08, 2011 02:14 as a reply to  @ post 12556196 |  #60

Not a fad. Was trying to source a new GF2, EPL2 or GF1 for a work colleague and they're sold out almost everywhere. Like rocking horse ****. Managed to get an EPL2 from the most expensive retailer around and it's a lovely little camera.

I own a NEX 5 and constantly hear the "It's not much smaller than a Rebel" refrain. That's a load of rubbish - it's tiny (and with better IQ than my 7D...):

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