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Canon 5Dc + 24-70 f2.8 sharpening

 
bronco1969
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Jun 09, 2011 14:39 |  #1

I recently bought a 5Dc and also switched my 17-55 f2.8 for a 24-70 f2.8.

I noticed that my raw pictures do need some (alot to my taste) sharpening to get the right output. The pictures do sharpen up nicely, that's not the problem, but is this typical to the full frame format or is it due to the lens (which I would find odd as its not a cheap lens) ?


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Jun 09, 2011 17:21 |  #2

Does the 50D have in camera sharpening set? Were you shooting raw in the 50d also? Jogs will be processed in camera.


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Jun 09, 2011 19:26 as a reply to  @ NeutronBoy's post |  #3

I've got that exact same rig and have not experienced any sharpening issues. You might run it through a Canon Facility for calibration.




  
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Jun 09, 2011 19:37 |  #4

Samples?


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Jun 09, 2011 20:14 |  #5

Never noticed it with mine.


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Jun 10, 2011 04:01 as a reply to  @ angryhampster's post |  #6

Don't forget that your dof on the 5Dc will be slightly different than your crop camera.


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Jun 10, 2011 05:48 |  #7

Also, all RAW pictures need some sort of sharpening due to the filters cameras have in front of the sensor.


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Jun 10, 2011 07:26 |  #8

I definitely noticed the same thing when I moved from a 20D crop sensor to the 5D. At the 100% view the 20D's RAWs looked sharper but at the full size print level there was no distinguishable distance. Whether its the larger pixel size of the 5D or the different AA filter, its probably best to just adjust/update your standard sharpening protocol.


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Jun 10, 2011 07:42 as a reply to  @ dFreezy's post |  #9

probably needs an MA adjustment which I don't believe the 5dC is able to do. Send it in for calibration. Sounds like its slightly OOF.

Your probably talking about images wide open, aren't you?

The 5dc is a 'sharper' camera by default compared to the 50D. FF sensor vs. Crop.

If your images seem softer, is because the body & lens aren't exactly aligned, so shooting at wider aperatures you'll see 'softness', which is really just slightly OOF, or on the fringe of being OOF. Get it calibrated and it should take care of it.




  
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Jun 10, 2011 08:41 |  #10

The problem sounds to me like you're using a filter in front of the lens. Try taking that off, you'll realize how sharp it gets.

The only times I use a filter is a circular polarizer to take pictures of fish in the water.


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Jun 10, 2011 10:12 |  #11

Actually if you came from a considerably lower resolution camera, it might just be that the 5D needs more sharpening comparatively... You also might be looking at the images a lot larger than you were lower resolution images... so are effectively being more critical of them.

After all, you say that images sharpen up just fine.

However, if you are comparing 5DC to 50D, then neither of the above should apply. The 5DC RAW files should be as sharp or perhaps slightly sharper right from the camera.

But, yes, it's possible the camera and/or lens need calibration. Most cameras and lenses benefit from a tune up occasionally.

And, yes, a filter could be a problem.

Also, depending upon your typical uses... 5DC and 5D MkII have a big mirror so there is more mirror slap with them than with your APS-C camera. At some shutter speeds, most likely the 2 second to 1/30 range, it's possible you are seeing some small amount of shake blur from mirror slap. Mirror lockup and/or I.S. are the only ways to address that. The mirror light seal/dampener foam on cameras wear out over time, too, and need to be replaced. It's not a big job, so shouldn't be expensive.


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Jun 10, 2011 21:30 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #12

Another thing to remember is that Canon sharpens (in-body) alot more on low-end bodies, than on high-end bodies.

And, yes, they *do* sharpen the RAW files at least on the low-end bodies (per Chuck Westfall)...




  
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Jun 10, 2011 21:34 |  #13

I always found I needed to use less sharpening on my 5D than I do with my 40D. Obviously you would need to take into account the amount of in body sharpening as has been mentioned above, but that really shouldnt affect a raw file.




  
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Jun 11, 2011 02:33 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #14

I thought camera's did nothing to RAW-files (wether high end or not). I indeed use filters on all my lenses (no sorry, not on the nifty fifty).

On the 24-70 I use a B+W F-Pro (010 UV-Haza 1x)
On the 70-200 I use a Tiffen HT Ultra Clear Titanium Multi-Coated

I'll set-up a test shoot and post some pictures at different apertures and with and without filters.

Thanks already for the replies


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Jun 11, 2011 18:05 |  #15

bronco1969 wrote in post #12573999 (external link)
I thought camera's did nothing to RAW-files (wether high end or not). I indeed use filters on all my lenses (no sorry, not on the nifty fifty).

On the 24-70 I use a B+W F-Pro (010 UV-Haza 1x)
On the 70-200 I use a Tiffen HT Ultra Clear Titanium Multi-Coated

I'll set-up a test shoot and post some pictures at different apertures and with and without filters.

Thanks already for the replies

Pretty much all the mfr's use RAW processing, now.

Also, I'd strongly suggest you throw out those UV filters. They significantly degrade your images.




  
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