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Jun 22, 2011 12:50 |  #1

I have been trying to break into wedding photography for a while and trying to break into weddings without being able to show brides pictures of weddings is a bit hard.

And yes, I have contacted the local wedding photographers in my area for second shooter opportunities and they either do not respond or they already have someone they use. Surprisingly, the wedding pros in my area are the most guarded group of people I have ever dealt with.

So starting this Saturday, I am going to hang out at local wedding venues for a few hours snapping away. I am going to do what I do best, stand back and capture images for my portfolio from a distance, like a photo ninja wielding my 70-200mm L.

Anyone else done anything like that?


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Jun 22, 2011 13:01 |  #2

JMHO - if I were getting married I wouldn't want a wedding crasher snapping away.

In the age of social networking I thought everyone knew someone who is getting married. I would aim for a wedding of someone you are acquainted with rather than a complete stranger.

Are you taking any engagement photos? Thats a pretty easy way to get invited to the wedding, especially if the B/G like your material.


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Jun 22, 2011 13:05 |  #3

So you plan to crash a wedding of strangers and then use those images to promote a wedding photography business...with no contract or model release you are asking for trouble.

You would be better off hiring a couple of models for a few hours and have them dress as bride and groom.


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Jun 22, 2011 13:08 |  #4

Contact your local bridal dress shop, ask if you can take some pics for them




  
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Jun 22, 2011 13:12 |  #5

Frogday wrote in post #12639659 (external link)
You would be better off hiring a couple of models for a few hours and have them dress as bride and groom.

This - though locations (and other wedding related accessories: cake, bridesmaids, groomsmen, guest...) might be a bit tricky.

If all else fails you could pay a local photographer to be their second shooter. Unorthodox, yes, but it would get you to the party.


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Jun 22, 2011 15:53 |  #6

I completely agree with everything that has been said so far. Shooting a stranger's wedding ninja style to build your portfolio or promote your buisness is never a good idea.

I have 2 regular second-shooters and I brought a girl with me once to third-shoot. She had no experience in shooting weddings and I could barely use any of the shots she gave me at the end of the day - I had a specific task for her and she didn't deliver. I will invite her with me again one more time and see if she improves, if not - I can't risk having her with me.

My advise would be - have a positive attitude, if you're frustrated people will not want to deal with you. Have the "How can I help YOU?" attitude and not "What can you do for me?". Meet local vendors - organize a shoot where you have a bride and groom, a make-up-artist does make up and a hair stylist creates beautiful hair and everyone will get beautiful photos from you that you set up and shot and that you can use in your portfolio now.

Take local vendors out for lunch/coffee and see if you can make new friends and don't be all like "So now can you send jobs my way?...Yes it all takes time and we've all been there, but that's the true way to get in.


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Jun 22, 2011 18:18 |  #7

Yeah... not a good idea. For one, it's extremely rude. These people only get one wedding and some are very careful about who they invite and a stranger showing up and crashing can be very upsetting (and most venues have a rent-a-cop who won't hesitate to throw you and your camera out an that can easily get you banned from a venue that you may someday be hired to shoot at). They also spent time and money to hire a pro to take their pictures and that pro will also not be very happy with you. Plus this just feels like a lawsuit in the making and it's very dishonest to your future clients. And on top of all of that, I'm not sure what kind of shots you'll get from "ninja photography". Your potential clients may wonder why no one is ever looking at your camera or if they are they are giving you dirty looks. It just won't help you. At all.

Maybe post an ad in your local Craigslist to do some low-budget City Hall weddings for cheap. Even offer to do one for free (offer to do a City Hall Ceremony and a few portraits after only). It'll only take a couple of hours of shooting and editing, the couple will be happy, and you'll have some pictures. Or post an ad for a free Trash the Dress session. Then you get a real bride and a real groom that you can take portraits of. You won't get the wedding day itself but it's the next best thing and a lot less work.


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Jun 22, 2011 18:20 |  #8

Oh, also see if you know anyone getting married in the near future. When I first started out I asked a few friends if I could shoot some "other" wedding events (not the ceremony or reception). I had two jump on it! For one I shot the rehearsal and then the guys getting ready before the ceremony since the hired pro was with the girls (and the hired pro later bought some of those images off me to use in the album AND asked me to second shoot for him) and for another I shot the last half of the reception since the hired pro had a time limit that didn't cover that part of the reception. Both times I got model releases so I could the images in my portfolio and they really did help build my portfolio in the beginning.


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Jun 22, 2011 18:44 |  #9

That's an excellent way of being banned from the premises because it is dishonest, disrespectful and also done on private property. Good luck with that, and let us know your future brand so I can help prospective clients avoid you (unethical business conduct).


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Jun 22, 2011 21:00 |  #10

slewi wrote in post #12639546 (external link)
like a photo ninja wielding my 70-200mm L.

do you even know ninjas are stealth assassins?

you're not making yourself stealth with a big white lens.



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Jun 22, 2011 21:12 |  #11

Frogday wrote in post #12639659 (external link)
You would be better off hiring a couple of models for a few hours and have them dress as bride and groom.


A local camera club did this a while back. I didn't go. maybe you could set something up and share the cost with some locals.
We were in a local thrift shop (value village) a while back (looking for photo stuff) I noticed they had a supply of wedding dresses going really cheap. Like 20-30 dollars. I imagine some were only worn 2 or 3 times :lol:


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Jun 22, 2011 21:32 |  #12

form wrote in post #12641447 (external link)
That's an excellent way of being banned from the premises because it is dishonest, disrespectful and also done on private property. Good luck with that, and let us know your future brand so I can help prospective clients avoid you (unethical business conduct).

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Jun 22, 2011 21:41 |  #13

Oh dear, inspector Gadget on the loose again!!

> https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1051832


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Jun 22, 2011 22:27 |  #14

highway0691 wrote in post #12642279 (external link)
Oh dear, inspector Gadget on the loose again!!

> https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1051832

Well, at least that was in a public place. Doesn't make it better, IMO, but you throw a bunch of legal issues into the mix when it's on private property.


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Jun 23, 2011 00:54 |  #15

This is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard. You can't use the images, and you may be arrested. If it were my wedding i'd come over and have a few things to say.

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