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Jun 25, 2011 23:35 |  #1

Hello everyone.

I recently bought my canon speedlite 580ex ii with two Gary Fong Light spheres . Full cloud the collapsible lightsphere. My question is ; Even with a Gary Fong, Do I still need to buy a bracket? Whats your thoughts?????

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Jun 26, 2011 07:00 |  #2

Definitely recommend stop buying things and figure out what you need from usage first!

For instance, you need to assess why do you need even 1 Gary Fong let alone two? And also why you need a bracket - are you planning to use direct flash in portrait orientation? If not a flash bracket is practically useless.

And why does Gary Fong even sell a cloud model - all "cloudiness"does is to make the device less translucent and waste more power :(

Also in your display photo you have the flash pointing straight up at the ceiling - would recommend you tilt it back a little (tilting over your head) so that the flash fills in from the front more when it bounces


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Jun 26, 2011 07:03 |  #3

I recommend you spend a little time reading the flash-related links in my signature, and also http://strobist.com (external link)

You need to learn the basic principles of light in order to understand why people use brackets in the first place. Once you gain that understanding, you'll know the answer to your question.

And you'll kick yourself for falling for Fary Gong's misleading sales pitch.


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Jun 26, 2011 07:53 |  #4

I would get rid of the spheres and use that money to buy a bracket.


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Jun 26, 2011 08:04 |  #5

The Fongs only work in limited circumstances, basically where you have white walls and ceilings to bounce off of. When you have those, you dont realy need the fong. Do some reading, and some comparison images and you will find they don't do what you think they do. Its an appealing idea to get big soft light from such a small light source but its not real.




  
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Jun 26, 2011 10:46 |  #6

smorter wrote in post #12659232 (external link)
Definitely recommend stop buying things and figure out what you need from usage first!

For instance, you need to assess why do you need even 1 Gary Fong let alone two? And also why you need a bracket - are you planning to use direct flash in portrait orientation? If not a flash bracket is practically useless.

And why does Gary Fong even sell a cloud model - all "cloudiness"does is to make the device less translucent and waste more power :(

Also in your display photo you have the flash pointing straight up at the ceiling - would recommend you tilt it back a little (tilting over your head) so that the flash fills in from the front more when it bounces

Well, I bought one and gotten another one for free. And as my display photo, I shot like that because I wanted to show off my stickers on my Flash. But thx, Im reading the forums just now.


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Jun 26, 2011 10:48 |  #7

Curtis N wrote in post #12659241 (external link)
I recommend you spend a little time reading the flash-related links in my signature, and also http://strobist.com (external link)

You need to learn the basic principles of light in order to understand why people use brackets in the first place. Once you gain that understanding, you'll know the answer to your question.

And you'll kick yourself for falling for Fary Gong's misleading sales pitch.

LOL, Will do. thx


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Jun 26, 2011 21:30 |  #8

return the fong's asap.


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Jun 27, 2011 01:19 as a reply to  @ MetalRain's post |  #9

The key with any light source is it's size.

That means if you can make the light coming from a very intense 2inch by 3inch flash tube look like it is really a 5 inch round dispersed light source it's better.

I have used the Gary Fong for many things including outdoor runway fashion shows (where there is no ceiling to bounce the light off) or press room portraits where there is very high ceilings (15, 20, 25 ft ) or even where the ceiling is painted black and only absorbs light rather than reflect any.

All with the flash mounted directly on the camera, gasp! Yep, I said mounted directly on the camera, and with great success.

Play with the fong and get used to what you can and can't do with it and it will be your friend and reward you.


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Jun 27, 2011 03:06 |  #10

I decided to test the Fong extensively the other week because my friend had one handy

Where you can bounce the flash, bare bounce flash will give far superior results

But where you can't bounce the flash (i.e. outdoors or in VERY large rooms (black surfaces are fine though)), there was a small, but definite improvement over direct flash - this is not unexpected given the Fong Dong is about 3X as big surface area as a direct flash head. Also unexpected, was a piece of paper behind your flash the same size gives the same result


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Jun 27, 2011 03:20 |  #11

smorter wrote in post #12663664 (external link)
I decided to test the Fong extensively the other week because my friend had one handy

Where you can bounce the flash, bare bounce flash will give far superior results

But where you can't bounce the flash (i.e. outdoors or in VERY large rooms (black surfaces are fine though)), there was a small, but definite improvement over direct flash - this is not unexpected given the Fong Dong is about 3X as big surface area as a direct flash head. Also unexpected, was a piece of paper behind your flash the same size gives the same result

I don't use the Fong Tupperware anymore and wouldn't advise anyone to buy one...

Similar idea to above... When i first had it, i cut out a triangular piece of white card and placed it inside the LSphere just behind/above the flash. Shooting upwards (angled), it acted as a Bouncer and straight, didn't cut out the light... It worked fine..


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Jun 27, 2011 07:18 |  #12

Anything that is larger than the flash head itself is going to make some difference.

Me too. I figured out early on to put paper in the back of the sphere to direct the light forward. So in conclusion that if you have somewhere to bounce and you can better results (which I agree with) and you have to put reflectors in when you can't why even use it in the first place? Why not just get a demb flip it, buy or make yourself a bigger bounce card as I have seen in these forums or just make your own reflector like this one for less than $5.00. I did not even mention the light loss on top of the sphere.

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Besides having a big salad bowl up there kinda looks a little goofy. That is just me though. What is goofy to one person may be beautiful to someone else.

I was glad to get rid of both of mine. Not even sure why I owned a clear and a cloudy one. It sure sounded like a great idea at the time. Excellent marketing by Mr. Fong.


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Jun 27, 2011 07:37 |  #13

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Anything that is larger than the flash head itself is going to make some difference.

Me too. I figured out early on to put paper in the back of the sphere to direct the light forward. So in conclusion that if you have somewhere to bounce and you can better results (which I agree with) and you have to put reflectors in when you can't why even use it in the first place? Why not just get a demb flip it, buy or make yourself a bigger bounce card as I have seen in these forums or just make your own reflector like this one for less than $5.00. I did not even mention the light loss on top of the sphere.

http://super.nova.org/​DPR/DIY01/ (external link)

Besides having a big salad bowl up there kinda looks a little goofy. That is just me though. What is goofy to one person may be beautiful to someone else.

I was glad to get rid of both of mine. Not even sure why I owned a clear and a cloudy one. It sure sounded like a great idea at the time. Excellent marketing by Mr. Fong.

Never mind Mr Fong, he's out there on his yacht tanning somewhere with a glass of Martini and a couple of tanned beauties... (Does one get banned from POTN for insulting Mr Fong, or elevated to a Mod level?)

I still prefer the Better Bouncer to Demb Flip... I can't scientifically prove it, but i am sure the scooping action does curve some light around the subject. It would be a good idea to do a test somewhere..

what i am trying to sole now is NOT to throw the soft light straight at people's faces.. That's proving a bit trickier.. Any ideas, anyone?


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Jun 27, 2011 07:47 |  #14

I got a pretty wicked personal backlash from Mr. Fong himself on another forum. It was a little joke about the creation of the puffer my lighting instructors told me and I posted that. I got him a little angry. I think around here you are free to state your opinion but I think they frown on flaming. Personally I like that very much.

That is the issue when you can't work with directional lighting. Not sure what the answer to that one is. My instructors bounce if they can and if they can't they shoot direct with a bracket. I adopted that and my flash life is much simpler.


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Jun 27, 2011 07:49 |  #15

Amen. You would have to pay me to use one of these devices


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