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Canon 17-40L F4 or Samyang 14mm F2,8 for landscapes?

 
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Jun 26, 2011 08:15 |  #1

I am looking for landscapes lens for not too much money, and I find this two lenses to be good choices.
The Canon 17-40 F4 L looks more versatile, and the Samyang have very high resolution.
Any opinions?
It will be used on 5D mkII, along with Samyang 35mm F1,4; Canon 85mm F1,8; Canon 100mm F2,8 L IS.




  
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Jun 26, 2011 08:18 |  #2

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Jun 26, 2011 09:09 |  #3

Should consider a tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 or a sigma 10-20mm


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Jun 26, 2011 09:23 |  #4

^does sigma 10-20 also work on ff? never heard that. but yea i guess tokina can be used as a 16mm prime


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Jun 26, 2011 09:24 |  #5

thestone11 wrote in post #12659608 (external link)
Should consider a tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 or a sigma 10-20mm

They only work without vignetting on crop sensors. OP has a 5DII.

OP, the 14mm is a great lens, but I'd pick the 17-40 for the versatility. Unless you need the 2.8 for indoors, maximum aperture doesn't really matter for landscape.


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Jun 26, 2011 09:45 |  #6

I assume you're after maximum sharpness, so you will probably be using f/8, mirror lock up and a tripod. If that's the case, then the 17-40L is a _very_ good landscape lens indeed. It can also work as a pretty good walk-around lens on the 5D2.

If it turns out that you need a wider field than the 17-40 offers you, you can set the lens to (say) 21mm and make a panorama with 50% overlap per frame. This takes some care but there is no need to use a 14mm specifically for landscapes.


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Jun 26, 2011 10:12 |  #7

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Jun 26, 2011 10:20 as a reply to  @ noisejammer's post |  #8

Thanks for your opinions.
@noisejammer you guessed, for this kind of shooting I will use.
An + for Canon is being weather sealed.




  
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Jun 26, 2011 10:38 |  #9

Sirrith wrote in post #12659663 (external link)
They only work without vignetting on crop sensors. OP has a 5DII.

OP, the 14mm is a great lens, but I'd pick the 17-40 for the versatility. Unless you need the 2.8 for indoors, maximum aperture doesn't really matter for landscape.

Didn't notice the camera body part....my mistake~!


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Jun 26, 2011 11:52 |  #10

I like the samyang more optically. By quite a bit too.

however, not taking filters is rough if that's your only landscape lens.


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Jun 26, 2011 11:54 |  #11

I can tell you're not put off by manual focus lenses, you should honestly check out the Leica 21/4 if you can find one cheap and the Olympus 21/3.5. Both are easily adapated to Canon....and quality glass.


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Jun 26, 2011 13:23 |  #12

I have a few thoughts here...

Firstly, "landscape" does not necessarily equal "wide angle", especially not "ultra wide angle", so you need to decide whether it is specifically wide angle or actual landscape shooting you want. Some of the best landscape shots I've seen were taken using telephoto lenses - the secret of good landscape shots is not "get as much in as you can".

If you want wide angle, there is a huge difference in field of view between 14mm and 17mm, so you need to decide if you really want such an ultra wide angle as 14mm. The widest lens I have is a 15mm (on a different system - not DSLR), and it gets used very rarely - it's hard to use such a lens regularly without it looking "gimmicky". I do have a 17-40L, and I find myself using it mainly around 21mm - 21 is a focal length that really seems to work for me.

Regarding f/2.8 vs f/4, I'd say there are far bigger differences between these two lenses for that to be a deciding factor - having an extra stop is no use at all if it's the wrong focal length for you.

So I'd say what you need to do, rather than asking other people which is the better "landscape" lens, is imagine yourself in your own preferred shooting positions and think about what angle of view and perspective suits your personal vision best - and unless you have actually done a lot of ultra-wide shooting, I would really not expect a 14 to fit the bill for most people.


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Jun 26, 2011 15:03 as a reply to  @ Oscroft's post |  #13

I know that 14mm is ultra wide on FF, and I never shoot at this focal lenght. But I was curious about this Samyang lens when I saw the reviews and the price.
Maybe is beter to have both :rolleyes: because are comleting each other.
For now I lean towards to Canon.




  
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Jun 26, 2011 15:09 |  #14

niku2 wrote in post #12659859 (external link)
A + for Canon is being weather sealed.

Be cautious - I have read (here and elsewhere) that this is only true if you are using a sealed filter. The 5D2 isn't fully weather-sealed either, so I'm not convinced you should be taking them out in a downpour. Otoh, I have used both in a severe winter storm and didn't have any difficulties. The trick was in removing surface moisture before it went anywhere.

Which ever lens you pick, I expect you will get the best possible results if you use manual focusing and magnified live view. (You might try using a loupe to study the screen carefully.)


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Jun 26, 2011 15:12 |  #15
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You would be so limited if all you went out with is the 14mm. Yes there are shots where ultra wide makes for a good composition...but there are so many other great compositions you would miss out on if all you had was ultra wide.

Even the 17-40 is a specialized lens for my landscapes. I use the 24-105 and the 70-200 the most.




  
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