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Jul 04, 2011 13:26 |  #1

I have been racking my brain so much over this decision that I cant even enjoy my vacation. I already have a very old, (in mint condition) 80-200 f2.8L zoom. I am using it on a 5D2, so I dont have the reach that I need for wildlife or candid shots. Also I have serious vignetting unless I am above ISO 400 and f8. The lens is so old that Canon does not offer Peripheral Illumination correction for it, therefore I have to use post editing to erase the vignetting.
I am trying to decide between the new 70-300L or one of the 70-200 f4 with a 1.4teleconverter. I will be using it to shoot mostly travel, landscape, nature, wildlife etc... However, I still like being prepared when the occasional wedding/senior portrait occasion arises.

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Jul 04, 2011 13:30 |  #2

i think the 70-200 f4 is one of the best lenses in the canon lineup.




  
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Jul 04, 2011 21:47 as a reply to  @ rick_reno's post |  #3

This won't help ... my 70-300 is stellar. I can hardly take it off the camera.


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Jul 04, 2011 22:04 |  #4

I would lean towards the 70-300mm L. Probably going to be sharper.


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Jul 04, 2011 22:25 |  #5

Only thing sharper than a 70-200 f/4L IS + A WORTHY 1.4x TC (such as the Canon II, III, or Kenko TeleplusPRO 300) will be a 70-200 f/2.8L IS II + A WORTHY 1.4x TC... the 70-300L is a nice lens, but the 70-200 f/4L IS USM it's not. That thing is still the yardstick for zoom sharpness.


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Jul 04, 2011 22:53 |  #6

From your priority list, it seems 70-300L will serve you better, and comparing both lens IQ, I doubt you'll see the different in prints.


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Jul 05, 2011 08:37 |  #7

Well if you're deciding between f/4L's get the IS... its lightyears ahead of the non-IS... the optical formula was changed, the aperture blades were rounded, and of course the IS. It's gonna come down to whether the 20mm extra is gonna change your mind. I will say this, 200mm @ f/4 vs. 200mm @ f/5 (on 70-300L, I'm guessing best case scenario for aperture speed there) is a big enough difference to cause you hell for even moderately low-light scenarios... that versatility w/ 1.4x TC alone could sway your decision making process.

But I'll be completely blunt, if your "occassional" wedding shoot is indoors, neither of these will do. You need a f/2.8 and you know it.


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Jul 05, 2011 09:48 as a reply to  @ nureality's post |  #8

I appreciate all of the responses.
I will admit that once I saw all of the vignetting, I put the lens (80-200 f2.8L) in my camera bag and have not used it in quite a while. While on this vacation that I am on now, I have committed to using nothing but that lens. I have also read a great report on it by Bob Atkins. My shots are coming out great as long as I am not getting any of the sky around the edges. My mindset was on REPLACING the old lens where as now I am simply looking to keep it and use it for its on special purposes, and try to get a little more reach for the full frame 5D2.
Canon does not offer any Tele-converters to go on this lens. Is there a third party TC that would work with it?




  
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Jul 05, 2011 23:20 as a reply to  @ iunlock's post |  #9

Do you use PhotoShop and Adobe Camera RAW by any chance? I ask only because if you do, it's straightforward to create profile for an officially unsupported lens, doubly true if you only care about correcting vignetting. You basically shoot a white background at different focal lengths and apertures, and the lens profile creator interpolates and generates a correction file for you. I would never bag an f/2.8 lens because of vignetting, it's the easiest of all lens shortcomings to digitally correct.

http://labs.adobe.com …gies/lensprofil​e_creator/ (external link)

Alternately, you can send the lens to me and I'll use it every day... :-) I'll send you a brick if you just want that extra weight in your camera bag.


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Jul 06, 2011 21:02 |  #10

I haven't purchased Photoshop yet. I only use Lightroom3 right now and they have a lens vignetting correction in there that I use. I have committed to not take the 80-200 off of my camera for at least a month so I can really decide whether to replace it or not. I know that I am not getting enough reach with it for wildlife, and I don't think that I can put a TC on it.
Once I learn how to post images on this forum I will post a few for all of your critiques on how the lens is doing with my 5D2.




  
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Jul 06, 2011 21:34 as a reply to  @ iunlock's post |  #11

Lets see if I have uploaded these images correctly. Please bear with me, this is my first attempt at posting images on here.

Both of these images were shot at ISO 100. I believe that I am correct in thinking that as the ISO goes higher, the vignetting will decrease, right? I know that the vignetting is worse on the more opened apertures, I have to get to f11 before it is completely gone.


The first image is at f2.8, 200mm

The second image is at f5.6, 200mm


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Jul 07, 2011 04:45 |  #12

I think those are OK. what is your budget as you may be able to get something longer or even a 100-400.
Alot of people use it for wildlife.


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Jul 07, 2011 12:13 |  #13

Just to clear up the technical aspects of this - Vignetting is having the exposure on the corners/edges of the picture darker than the center. Normally the vignetting is worst when you shoot a lens at it's maximum aperture and the effect is quickly reduced as you stop down. I'm a bit surprised at your comment that you have to stop down to f11 before you stop seeing the vignetting. Here's an example (the 24L) that shows how quickly the effect drops off as you stop down. The 24L is especially bad wide open and so it's f5.6 - f8 before the effect is pretty negligable. http://www.photozone.d​e …4-canon24f14mk2ff?start=​1 (external link)

So the answer to your question about increasing ISO to reduce vignetting - depending on what camera mode you're in it may or may not help. What you'll need to do is shoot with smaller apertures (larger f-numbers) to reduce the effect. The most direct way is to shoot in Av mode and you can control the aperture setting directly. Manipulate the ISO to get the shutter speed where you need it.


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