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Found a recent craigslist wedding photographer request with re:, re:, and re: replies

 
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Jul 20, 2011 17:47 |  #1

I just stumbled upon this local craigslist listing of somebody looking for a wedding photographer on
the cheap. 3 people posted public replies... I thought it was interesting at how different people can react:

Original listing:


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Third Reply (part 1):

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Third Reply (part 2):

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IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/ewheeler20/5958​865551/  (external link)

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Jul 20, 2011 18:10 |  #2

Nice read and thanks for sharing.


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Jul 20, 2011 18:23 |  #3

That was a good read and the last paragraph sums it up quite nicely.


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Jul 20, 2011 19:23 |  #4

Blah blah blah.

The person wanting to spend $300 isn't going to instantly think "oh! I better go with a $2000 photographer then!"

If someone wants to go cheap, let them. You won't get a Kia budget to buy a Mercedes no matter how hard you try.


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Jul 20, 2011 19:34 |  #5

I agree, I am sure that person realizes what she will get for $300. She specifically pointed out that she is looking for a "student or recent grad who looking for experience" which is another way of saying... amateur...

Doing that math, an 8 hour shooting day plus 6 hours of behind the scenes work (shooting time + 75% for editing/driving/paperw​ork) equals 14 total hours. At $300, that is almost $21.50 per hour. In my area of the world that is pretty darn good for a student or amateur!


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Jul 20, 2011 19:36 |  #6

That's about what I got for my first one. It sucked all the way around, but it was pretty much what we all expected. I didn't deserve a penny more and they wouldn't have paid it.


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Jul 20, 2011 20:34 |  #7

See this post: "Brand new muscle car for just $5" (external link)

Sometime you might get lucky.


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Jul 21, 2011 01:31 |  #8

ewheeler20 wrote in post #12794845 (external link)
I agree, I am sure that person realizes what she will get for $300. She specifically pointed out that she is looking for a "student or recent grad who looking for experience" which is another way of saying... amateur...

Doing that math, an 8 hour shooting day plus 6 hours of behind the scenes work (shooting time + 75% for editing/driving/paperw​ork) equals 14 total hours. At $300, that is almost $21.50 per hour. In my area of the world that is pretty darn good for a student or amateur!

14 hours total time for a wedding? You must shoot small weddings. ;)


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Jul 21, 2011 01:39 |  #9

ewheeler20 wrote in post #12794845 (external link)
I agree, I am sure that person realizes what she will get for $300. She specifically pointed out that she is looking for a "student or recent grad who looking for experience" which is another way of saying... amateur...

Doing that math, an 8 hour shooting day plus 6 hours of behind the scenes work (shooting time + 75% for editing/driving/paperw​ork) equals 14 total hours. At $300, that is almost $21.50 per hour. In my area of the world that is pretty darn good for a student or amateur!

I spent at least twice as much time editing as shooting, but you have a good point. Still, they'll get someone with a rebel and kit lens, not a pro with $20K worth of good gear.


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Jul 21, 2011 01:41 |  #10

tim wrote in post #12796649 (external link)
I spent at least twice as much time editing as shooting, but you have a good point. Still, they'll get someone with a rebel and kit lens, not a pro with $20K worth of good gear.

And even still, if you aren't qualified enough to charge decent rates that don't undercut every other photographer, then you shouldn't be getting paid at all, IMHO.


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Jul 21, 2011 08:04 |  #11

So - are you saying that there should only be a market for photographers with $20K worth of gear and everyone else should not be allowed to charge for their services?

Sounds a lot like saying that only BMW's and Mercedes should be for sale. Should Ford and Chevy just start giving cars away until they are considered to be in the same class as the high end luxury vehicles?

I believe that where there is a demand, there should be someone willing and able to meet that demand. As long as there are people who can only afford $300 for a wedding photography, there should be someone who can do the work for $300. Granted, it likely will not be the quality of work produced by someone with the experience to be able to charge $2000, but it will likely be good enough for someone who only has $300 to spend. The guy who has never driven a BMW doesn't know what he's missing.


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Jul 21, 2011 08:40 |  #12

ewheeler20 wrote in post #12794845 (external link)
Doing that math, an 8 hour shooting day plus 6 hours of behind the scenes work (shooting time + 75% for editing/driving/paperw​ork) equals 14 total hours. At $300, that is almost $21.50 per hour. In my area of the world that is pretty darn good for a student or amateur!


I always anticipate 2 hours of editing for every hour of shooting.
i.e. 1 photographer, 8 hours = 16 hours of editing... 2 photographers, 8 hours each = 32 hours editing... etc...


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Jul 21, 2011 17:10 |  #13

I guess I was wrong about the editing time...
Well, with 24 total hours (8 hrs of shooting + 16 hrs of editing) $300 comes to $12.50.
Not so good anymore, but still is $4 above minimum wage, lol.

I feel like some professional photographers believe they should be taking every single
photography/wedding job ever needed, and the amateur/students should just stay away all
together. That's ridiculous because everybody has different budgets and will spend accordingly.


Restaurant analogy:

5-star restaurant:
highly-touted professional photographer that needed to be scheduled 1 year in advanced.
hometown dinner / greasy spoon: your cousin who takes good photos, but you may feel a bit sick about it afterwards.
Mcdonalds: your cheapo "gets-the-job-done" with snapshots, photographer.
Buffet: The photographer takes a lot of photos but none are very good.
Café: Artsy-fartsy photographer that uses old film cameras.
Bar: Please don't hire this photographer... do I need to explain?
Drive-through: The photographer gets there, sets up a few group shots, leaves his/her business cards on the dining tables and then leaves. It feels impersonable and pretty lazy.
You're aunts house: Your aunt is the photographer. Depending on how well she "cooks", you may or may not be happy with results.

Feel free to add more analogies, I had fun making these up, lol.


The moral of the story is that all those restaurants are in business because they serve a different purpose/budget/niche. When you walk into Mcdonalds, you don't expect 5-star food. And you don't expect a sommelier (wine dude) at the drive-up to berate you for your choice of eateries like that craigslist guy did.
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Jul 22, 2011 09:00 as a reply to  @ NewEnglandPhotographer's post |  #14

haha, that analogy cracked me up this morning ewheeler20

i like it and find it much more fitting than the automobile analogies that always get thrown in the mix
and don't relate to a service provided business at all imho.
While I think this analogy relates very well to event photography, it is still missing one major factor.
Your wedding is a once in a lifetime event, and much more special than other events (at least to me : )

But i agree there are certainly different markets, needs, expectations and budgets.


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Jul 22, 2011 10:32 |  #15

ewheeler20 wrote in post #12800748 (external link)
I guess I was wrong about the editing time...
Well, with 24 total hours (8 hrs of shooting + 16 hrs of editing) $300 comes to $12.50.
Not so good anymore, but still is $4 above minimum wage, lol.

I feel like some professional photographers believe they should be taking every single
photography/wedding job ever needed, and the amateur/students should just stay away all
together. That's ridiculous because everybody has different budgets and will spend accordingly.


Restaurant analogy:

5-star restaurant:
highly-touted professional photographer that needed to be scheduled 1 year in advanced.
hometown dinner / greasy spoon: your cousin who takes good photos, but you may feel a bit sick about it afterwards.
Mcdonalds: your cheapo "gets-the-job-done" with snapshots, photographer.
Buffet: The photographer takes a lot of photos but none are very good.
Café: Artsy-fartsy photographer that uses old film cameras.
Bar: Please don't hire this photographer... do I need to explain?
Drive-through: The photographer gets there, sets up a few group shots, leaves his/her business cards on the dining tables and then leaves. It feels impersonable and pretty lazy.
You're aunts house: You're aunt is the photographer. Depending on how well she "cooks", you may or may not be happy with results.

Feel free to add more analogies, I had fun making these up, lol.


The moral of the story is that all those restaurants are in business because they serve a different purpose/budget/niche. When you walk into Mcdonalds, you don't expect 5-star food. And you don't expect a sommelier (wine dude) at the drive-up to berate you for your choice of eateries like that craigslist guy did.
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"your" not "you're" ;)


I'll add one more. Chain restaurant Every photo looks just like every other photographers photo with the same action applied.


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