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Jul 29, 2011 08:11 |  #16

Excellent Points. Thanks for your thoughts. At first I was thinking "what's wrong with my work???" I guess I was being too sensitive. It does pay to step away take a deep breath and think about the main goal. Getting more clients.....


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Jul 29, 2011 10:17 |  #17

golfecho wrote in post #12838506 (external link)
Great idea . . . remember, a happy client passes around the good word of mouth to your next clients, and refusing to accomodate could result in negative word of mouth . . .

+1!

The happy bride will tell a couple of her friends what a great photographer you were, and how good you were to accomodate her needs.

The *unhappy* bride will tell everyone she knows (and, likely, Tweet and post on Facebook, too) what a miserable, money-grubbing, heartless stick-up-your-butt bastard you were for refusing to put ONE little picture you didn't take into your precious album... :)


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Jul 29, 2011 10:31 |  #18

[QUOTE=DirePenguin;128​42890]+1!

The happy bride will tell a couple of her friends what a great photographer you were, and how good you were to accomodate her needs.

The *unhappy* bride will tell everyone she knows (and, likely, Tweet and post on Facebook, too) what a miserable, money-grubbing, heartless stick-up-your-butt bastard you were for refusing to put ONE little picture you didn't take into your precious album... :)[/quote]

Too funny cause it is true... LMAO!!!!


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Jul 29, 2011 10:33 |  #19

No Way.


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Aug 01, 2011 02:29 |  #20

sspellman wrote in post #12837220 (external link)
You can always put an extra page or two at the back for "Photos from Friends and Family"

best idea


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Aug 01, 2011 04:21 |  #21

DirePenguin wrote in post #12842890 (external link)
+1!

The happy bride will tell a couple of her friends what a great photographer you were, and how good you were to accomodate her needs.

The *unhappy* bride will tell everyone she knows (and, likely, Tweet and post on Facebook, too) what a miserable, money-grubbing, heartless stick-up-your-butt bastard you were for refusing to put ONE little picture you didn't take into your precious album... :)

There are many ways of saying no.

I have found that if I explain exactly why I can't/won't do whatever they want me to do, people tend to understand.
If I say no to a request, I have a good reason for doing so. I want to produce the best possible finished product and if I feel that a client's request compromises that, I will tell them. And explain why I feel that way.

Your clients hire you for your expertise and to get a better result than they could produce themselves.
Sometimes saying no is part of that.

of course this requires good communication skills.




  
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Aug 01, 2011 07:23 |  #22

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I have on the other hand seen a few photographers do the whole "put cameras on all the tables" rutine, that alot of hosts have been doing for years.
It's more than a little cliche, but the sheer volume of photos is bound to yield enough decent (or even good) shots, to make a whole separate album.

i once thought about getting a load of point and shoots and doing the same thing ($20-30 each) and seeing what happened -


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Aug 01, 2011 07:41 |  #23

If the Aunts image is worthy of putting in the album, I would do it.


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Aug 01, 2011 09:30 |  #24

sspellman wrote in post #12837220 (external link)
You can always put an extra page or two at the back for "Photos from Friends and Family"

Another thought . . . if you make a second albumn that is only shots from others, your photo albumn remains pristine, and the second one (a Volumn 2, if you will) is a professionally assembled albumn of the contributions of the other guests. You stay "pure', and yet you could charge them for your professional expertise in assembling an albumn with a complementary cover/theme/look & feel . . .


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Aug 01, 2011 09:36 |  #25

For those who said they wouldn't want their book desecrated--after it's out of your hands the clients will do with it what they will. Don't be so stuffy over something that ultimately be under your clients control--remember they are paying you for the service, even if you are God's gift to wedding photography.


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Aug 01, 2011 10:24 |  #26

advaitin wrote in post #12857202 (external link)
For those who said they wouldn't want their book desecrated--after it's out of your hands the clients will do with it what they will. Don't be so stuffy over something that ultimately be under your clients control--remember they are paying you for the service, even if you are God's gift to wedding photography.

I would like to see someone try to change anything in one of my albums.
As they are meant to be a single piece, telling a story, it's not like you can just swap out photos. Not without destroying it anyway.

As your say, they are paying for a service. That service is based on your expertise.
As I see it, you are not giving them that expertise, if you let them compromise the integrity of the finished product.




  
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Aug 01, 2011 11:45 |  #27

quiksquirrel wrote in post #12857441 (external link)
I would like to see someone try to change anything in one of my albums.
As they are meant to be a single piece, telling a story, it's not like you can just swap out photos. Not without destroying it anyway.

As your say, they are paying for a service. That service is based on your expertise.
As I see it, you are not giving them that expertise, if you let them compromise the integrity of the finished product.

I understand your feelings, but how do you make sure that a client has not stealthily unhinged your album and inserted a page of their own or of someone else 's photos? Do you enter their home at random times and do checks?


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Aug 01, 2011 12:28 |  #28

advaitin wrote in post #12857884 (external link)
I understand your feelings, but how do you make sure that a client has not stealthily unhinged your album and inserted a page of their own or of someone else 's photos? Do you enter their home at random times and do checks?

Obviously I have no way of knowing this.
But doing so, with any degree of success, would require the aid of a traditional bookbinder.

As I said earlier, if they want an album with photos from family and friends, I will happily make one that matches the main one. So there is really no need to try and fail.

A good album is not cheap, so I would imagine that most people prefer not to destroy it.




  
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Aug 01, 2011 12:39 as a reply to  @ quiksquirrel's post |  #29

LONDON808 wrote in post #12856585 (external link)
i once thought about getting a load of point and shoots and doing the same thing ($20-30 each) and seeing what happened -

I would be careful with this - copyright would be in question...

A table/booth where someone would have to sign a release to get a question would be better legally, but a pain for everyone involved.


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